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Breville BCG800XL Smart Grinder - Rich C's Review
Posted: June 16, 2013, 9:14am
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Brad Pettes 10.00
Rich C 6.50
Dave Blackburn 0.00
Michael Ringer 0.00
Luke Seals 0.00

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Ratings and Stats Overall Rating: 8.8
Manufacturer: Breville Australia Quality: 8
Average Price: $200.00 Usability: 9
Price Paid: $175.00 Cost vs. Value 10
Where Bought: Bed Bath & Beyond Aesthetics 8
Owned for: 2 years Overall 9
Writer's Expertise: I live coffee Would Buy Again: Yes
Similar Items Owned: La Cimbali Max Hybrid, Pasquini Moka
Bottom Line: Don't kid yourself about espresso, but otherwise an excellent grinder for the money.
Positive Product Points

Small footprint
Reasonably attractive
Simple Maintenance
Easy to Clean
Accurate, repeatable settings
Consistent grind size at any given setting
Sufficient Adjustment for anything other than Espresso
No fines to speak of
Outstanding hopper

Negative Product Points

Inexpensively made
Some static clumping
Unsuitable for espresso

Detailed Commentary

Let's start with the limitations before moving on to the strengths...

There's espresso and there's espresso.  A good espresso grinder not only needs to grind very fine, it must also allow the user a great deal of control at very fine sizes in order to get the best taste from a given blend on a given day.  

If you want to make good espresso, you're not going to do it with this grinder.  You can make a Smart grind fine enough for espresso, but it will never give you enough control for good espresso.Shims or no shims... Not enough control.  To make things perfectly clear, there are NO good espresso grinders anywhere near the Smart's price.  

On the other hand, and it's a big other hand because there are so many wonderful ways to make coffee besides espersso, other brew methods don't require the same degree of fine adjustment.  That is for everything other than espresso, the right grind size will be far more about the method itself; and very few brewers need day to day adjustment.   Get it right once, and you've got it right forever.   The Smart does a great job for those.  

More often than not, we drink espresso and use a speciality espresso grinder for that.  But, every few days as whim dictates, we choose French press or vacuum siphon.  FP wants a fairly coarse grind, while smack-dab-in-the-middle medium is best for the siphon.  That's when we use the Smart, and that's where the Smart shines.

Grind size is extremely consistent at both sizes.  That is to say, with the Smart set at its best setting for FP, all of the grinds are coarse; while at the medium setting, all of the grinds are medium.   That there are so few fines makes for (relatively) clear French press -- which is a rare and good thing.

There's more adjustability than the readout might have you believe, which allows the user to dial in a fairly precise grind.  There are four different finer/coarser (palpable and audible) click stops between each visible setting.  Just as good, the settings are very repeatable.  We are able to return to the same settings time after time no matter how often we switch sizes for different settings.  For example "3 plus a couple of clicks" is just right for FP, while a bare "7 on the nose" works for vac.  

The volume setting -- i.e., how many cups -- is more than good enough for our types of brewing.   For instance, "6 cups, plus two extra bumps stronger" is always right four our 8 cup French press pots; and "7 on the nose" is right for the siphon.  (Odd that the "couple of clicks" and "on the nose" hold for each pot, but there you go.)  

The plastic cup is not as static prone as some collectors, but do expect some static clumping.

The machine is easy to maintain, clean, and so far has been extremely reliable.  

The worst you can say about this grinder is that it's not built as well as the top wide-range adjustable grinders like a Ditting, a bulk Bunn, or a Mahlkonig.    

But apples to apples?  The Smart's got much better build quality and grind consistency than almost anything else in the price range, including the very good looking but lousy functioning Kitchen-Aid.  Its only real competition is the Baratza Preciso, and the only significant difference between those two is looks.

Buying Experience

BB&B customer service is excellent.  This particular purchase was a long but happy story. BB&B accepted an unopened KA grinder purchased from Amazon as an exchange for the Smart which was sold out at Amazon and everywhere else at the time. It's possible I forgot to tell BB&B the KA was from Amazon, but still...

Three Month Followup

2-1/2 Year Follow Up (original review written after two years of ownership):

We recently upgraded our non-espresso grinder to a "Bunnzilla," deciding to keep the Smart as our travel grinder.  Yes, it's too big for the way most people travel, but so is our electric kettle and press pot.  Good thing we travel by car and our car has a ridiculously large trunk.  Too bad we mostly stay at inns and B&Bs which don't have bellmen.  

All of which is by way of an introduction to my failure to mention how good the hopper is.  With the lid on, and the bottom "closed," it is airtight storage for the beans, whether on or detached from the grinder body.  It's something I didn't notice with the machine on the counter because we never kept more than a couple of loads worth of beans in the hopper.

Otherwise, the rest of the review stands.  At the risk of repetition, the Smart is an excellent, non-espresso grinder for the price.  Compared to the Baratza Virtuoso it offers the same quality in the cup, is not as well built, but is more convenient to operate and also more attractive.  In my opinion it does non-espresso as well as the Baratza Preciso (which is $100 more, and the object of a great deal of Mark Prince enthusiasm).

Compared to manual grinders I've tried, it's not quite as good in the non-espresso cup as the (no longer available ) similarly priced OE Lido (OE Lido 2 not yet available at the time of this writing).  But it's significantly better than the Porlex and Skerton.  And, of course, it requires far less effort than any manual.

Given reasonable mechanicals, an efficient bean path, and appropriate consistency and type of particle size distribution, grinding surface area is the defining aspects of grinders.  Distribution means the Smart will do a better job for non-espresso grinding than just about anything primarily designed for espresso.  However, it is no better than  its 38mm conical burrs allow (and neither is the Preciso with its 40mm conicals).  It is not as good as either the ($450) Vario or ($800) Forte (Vario perfected), which represent the "next step up."  In case you're wondering, all of those are in an entirely different and lesser universe than Bunnzilla.

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