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ZHANG
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 7:27am
Subject: My COFFEE
 

1.My coffee machine and coffee grinder

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ZHANG
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 7:28am
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

2.espresso

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ZHANG
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 7:30am
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3.another photo about espresso

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ZHANG
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 7:35am
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I think my coffee is not perfect,so I should learn more.
Do you think so?
Well,maybe somebody wants say something about my coffee,Please
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JonR10
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 8:10am
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

ZHANG Said:

I think my coffee is not perfect,so I should learn more.
Do you think so?
Well,maybe somebody wants say something about my coffee,Please

Posted January 22, 2006 link

Dang, ZHANG!!  The machinery is very nice....
And the pour looks incredible!!  Very VERY nice!
It looks like the beans must be fresh because there's so much crema.
I'd love to taste your espresso for myself - maybe someday.  :-)

Never perfect - always beautiful.  

Your shop is certainly better than so many others. You have clearly shown that you know how to operate the equipment to get great results!

I have been to many shops with nice machines, but most often the people working there do not know how to use the equipment.  It is always very disappointing for me.  

Thank you for posting your pictures.  If I ever do come to China, I would love to see your shop and try your espresso.  :-)

 
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 2:20pm
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

JonR10 Said:

Dang, ZHANG!!  The machinery is very nice....
And the pour looks incredible!!  Very VERY nice!
It looks like the beans must be fresh because there's so much crema.
I'd love to taste your espresso for myself - maybe someday.  :-)

Never perfect - always beautiful.  

Your shop is certainly better than so many others. You have clearly shown that you know how to operate the equipment to get great results!

I have been to many shops with nice machines, but most often the people working there do not know how to use the equipment.  It is always very disappointing for me.  

Thank you for posting your pictures.  If I ever do come to China, I would love to see your shop and try your espresso.  :-)

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Sir, I certainly know that this is your so-called "beautiful espresso", and your quality, or your judge conditions.

The guy, who taught the people and the people trained him, was not brave enough to make a shot for me.  I know him for more than five years, and also his espresso.  So, in any case, I know much more than you, about what you are talking about here, at least.

You looked their photos, and I tasted their esapresso.  If you talk about a coffee shop in the States, I have nothing to say.  But, about this one in China, many in Beijing, I know them.  And you?


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SL28ave
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 3:13pm
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pstam Said:

Sir, I certainly know that this is your so-called "beautiful espresso", and your quality, or your judge conditions.

The guy, who taught the people and the people trained him, was not brave enough to make a shot for me.  I know him for more than five years, and also his espresso.  So, in any case, I know much more than you, about what you are talking about here, at least.

You looked their photos, and I tasted their esapresso.  If you talk about a coffee shop in the States, I have nothing to say.  But, about this one in China, many in Beijing, I know them.  And you?


Peter in Beijing

Posted January 22, 2006 link

Pstam,
You haven't tasted an espresso pulled by Zhang. And even if you had, your opinion is only that of one person, being one little truth. Do you have the ability to inspire other Chinese coffeegeeks to talk about these espressos? Do you even want to hear voices other than your own? Do you state facts by shooting down everything but the fact? Because I barely see the relevance to Zhang's original post.

What percentage of Chinese coffee shops pull espressos that look well extracted, as Zhang's AT LEAST looks like it may be well extracted? I'm very curious to hear.

Zhang, keep this up. Aim for perfection, as Pstam seems to unerringly do. But keep that humility, because we're students of a young industry and it works better for all of us.


I hope to see more Chinese geeks posting. Until then, sorry for this "white noise" (what a joke). :)
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SL28ave
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 3:25pm
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

And Zhang,

can you tell us more about your technique? Single basket? Grams per shot? How many seconds was the extraction? Water temperature?

What countries did the beans come from? How were they roasted, and how dark?

How did the pictured espresso taste? If you have a paragraph to write about its taste, I'd love to read it.

More pictures?

Thanks!
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JonR10
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Drip: Technivorm
Roaster: 1-lb US Roaster, Behmor 1600
Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 4:32pm
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

pstam Said:

You looked their photos...

Posted January 22, 2006 link

Because I am many thousands of miles away, my main means of judgement is the pictures (much louder than words anyway).

ZHANG's pictures (and his humility and positive attitude) inspire me and make me wish to go to his shop, and visit with him, and of course to taste the espresso.

Conversely, I have no such desire to visit Kaffa Cafe. Nor would I want to make espresso for you, Peter, simply because I already know that we have different taste and different understanding.  Your view seems so narrow to me that I am not interested in your opinions of my technique nor my espresso shots.  I feel sure you already do not like the espresso I make from 100% Arabica so why would I want to press the issue?

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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006, 8:41pm
Subject: Re: My COFFEE
 

Zhang, that looks good!  If I could get that in Changsha I wouldn't spend so much time at home!

Just curious, I don't recognize the espresso machine, what is the brand?

Also, do you like espresso yourself?

Nice pictures.

Henry
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