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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006, 8:36am
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I need help with a replacement mocha powder.  I have for years made mochas at home using Starbucks mocha powder.  I just found out this week they are discontinuing this retail product.  I tried yesterday Ghiradelli cocoa powder with some sugar added.  It was not close.  It was too sweet, and it wasn't from me adding too much sugar, the base of the powder was not chocolate enough.

I am a chocoholic, some would call that a sweet tooth, but I don't like straight sweet, I like a chocolate flavor.

I would love to do a taste test of different suggestions for the mocha with starbucks mocha.  I can go get just the mocha pumps from a retail Starbucks and taste test them against recipes. :-)

Thanks for your help.  My mocha is my treat for myself every day while I manage the household and home business.  

I am happy to post back what I find.  I am determined to find a replacement.

Cheers!!

Teresa
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006, 8:43am
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terepan Said:

I need help with a replacement mocha powder.  I have for years made mochas at home using Starbucks mocha powder.  I just found out this week they are discontinuing this retail product.  I tried yesterday Ghiradelli cocoa powder with some sugar added.  It was not close.  It was too sweet, and it wasn't from me adding too much sugar, the base of the powder was not chocolate enough.

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I am happy to post back what I find.  I am determined to find a replacement.

Cheers!!

Teresa

Posted March 10, 2006 link

Hello.  Hershey makes a Cocoa Powder that is used in baking and for making chocolate milk.  It has no sugar added.  You may wish to try that.  I know that my wife enjoys it used for chocolate milk, and she uses Splenda instead of sugar for low carb.

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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006, 9:14am
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you need scharffenberger!

http://www.scharffenberger.com/

check out the cocoa powder and the cocoa nibs.. just chunky size chunks of cocoa beans..very nice on truffles.. makes great syrup.

i can make some great hot cocoa with it also.

check it out let me know how you like it.

 
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006, 9:22am
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i like the ghiradelli liquid choc in the pump bottle,best i have tried, contains sugar but not too much
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006, 10:08am
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Second on the scharffenberger rec. Also valrhona cocoa powder will do great if you can find them.

 
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Posted Sun Mar 26, 2006, 10:05pm
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I am looking for a replacement too! Have tried melting couverture batons but it took 5 of them and still was pretty disappointing.

Could someone please advise if you use cocoa powder do you dissolve it with water like you do with the mocha powder or do you need to make it into a syrup? Is there a taste differential between dutch processed and non processed cocoa?

I have been emailing Starbucks in hopes of more info but have only been told that they are discontinuing it and they are sorry for the inconvenience. My local Starbucks manager has said that they are likely to be making changes to it and then re-launching it.  I have also seen very large bags of it on sale on ebay.

Many thanks for your help - I have been obsessed with this since I was told a week ago and am making myself (and my husband) nuts!
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Posted Sun Mar 26, 2006, 10:40pm
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I found a very close alternate!!!  I did the taste test I mentioned.  I got pumps from Starbucks and Neslte, Hersheys, ghiradelli cocoa and added sugar to it, ghiradelli with sweet chocolate power too, saco and some sugar.

After doing all this, none seemed to match.

So I did some research and found some scratch recipes.  One is very, very good.  I have for years made my own with the Starbucks powder and have been driving my family crazy figuring out an alternate.

Here is the recipes:

1 1/2 cups water
2 cups sugar
1 1/2 cup regular baking cocoa (store brand is fine)
1 cup Dutch cocoa (I am having trouble finding)
1/4 cup vanilla (imitation is fine)

Directions:
  1.  Bring water to boil. Remove from heat and pour over cocoa and sugar and mix well.  Once mixed, put back on heat.
  2.  Add vanilla and bring mixture to boil.  Low boil for five minutes stirring frequently.  This is to thicken.
  3.  Allow to cool completely.
  4.  Store in refrigerator.

I use two coffee scoops (the silver ones sold at starbucks) or expresso coffee, three mocha mix scoops and milk for a grande cup of coffee.  

I am a chocoholic.  At Starbucks I order 5 pumps cocoa instead of the usual 4 so you may be able to cut back on the mocha mix.

I may try to reduce the sugar a little next time I make it up, but it is real close to the same as STarbucks powder.

The Dutch processed cocoal has an alkaline wash which takes some of the bitter edge off the cocoa.  I actually used for all the cocoa a cocoa mix by saco that is both cocoa and dutch processed cocoa. Very inexpensive.  I don't know why I can't find Dutch processed cocoa now.  For years Hersheys had a version of it in grocery stores here in the Dallas area.  I went to 5 stores and none had it.  That is why I used the Saco, but you can make it up yourself.  Other nice thing is no expensive ingredients.


Please let me know if it works for you too!

Teresa
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Posted Mon Mar 27, 2006, 4:58am
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Omanhene Hot Cocoa Mix.  Highly recommended.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 27, 2006, 9:20pm
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Hi Teresa!

I cooked up a batch of chocolate syrup and it was great!  I think I cooked it a bit too long as it is really thick and more like caramel sauce but it is very chocolatey and has that slightly bitter hit that I like.  I will do a comparative taste test against the Starbucks mocha powder and report back.

I am also thinking about trying to find powdered vanilla and trying to make a dry mixture instead of a syrup just for ease of use.

Thank you for sharing your research. I am a stay at home mom with a 3 yr old, 2 yr old and a 9 month old and the only thing that gets me through the day is my morning mocha!

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Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006, 9:15pm
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dutched, AKA "processed with alkaline" (almost every baking cocoa on the market) will have an awful bitter taste that's just outright unnatural to me.  

ghirardelli doesn't use dutched cocoa in their powder, and maybe that's why you don't like it as much.  

It's generally not preferred by most chocolate connoiseurs.  Maybe try Gosh That's Good brand.. they advertise like hell in Barista Mag.

 
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