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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 1:50am
Subject: espresso capsule machines
 

I would like to hear coffee geeks opinions about hard capsules espresso machines and different brands of capsules for such machines.

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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 3:18am
Subject: Re: espresso capsule machines
 

Welcome to CoffeeGeek!

Well, capsule or pad systems like Nespreso or Senseo, for example, just like superautomatic coffee makers are mostly about convenience and less about espresso quality. Convenience and quality are like two opposites: the more you get of one thing, the less you'll get of the other. You'll never brew real espresso, they way most people on this forum understand it, with any capsule, no matter what advertising will promise you.

One problem is that we're talking about pre-ground coffee here, which loses it's full aroma within minutes. Also, espresso is a special way of preparation, where coffee is extracted from a compressed puck of finely ground coffee beans under pressure. Only when certain parameters like brewing pressure and temperature are met, you'll get an espresso that is full bodied and tastes great.

This is what the Istituto Nazionale Espresso Italiano (INEI) has to say about espresso and what it should be like.

» What characteristics – in technical detail – are required to obtain Espresso Italiano?

The product certification aims at considering the most important aspect: the satisfaction of the customers’ expectations of pleasure. However, the technical specification includes test rules that can be used to answer this question. The following are some important conditions to obtain Espresso Italiano – though these alone would not be adequate to fulfil the quality requirements:

• Necessary portion of ground coffee 7 g ± 0,5
• Exit temperature of water from the unit 88°C ± 2°C
• Temperature of the drink in the cup 67°C ± 3°C
• Entry water pressure 9 bar ± 1
• Percolation time 25 seconds ± 2,5 seconds
• Viscosity at 45°C > 1,5 mPa s
• Total fat > 2 mg/ml
• Caffeine < 100 mg/cup
• Millilitres in the cup (including foam) 25 ml ± 2.5 «

This is only a guideline, of course, a starting point, but it gives you a general idea of what we're talking about. You cannot, however, obtain this by using a capsule machine. You need fresh beans, a capable grinder, and a traditional portafilter espresso machine.

Sorry!

 
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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 7:05am
Subject: Re: espresso capsule machines
 

OP, here's a good overview: http://www.singleservecoffee.com/archives/037316.php
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Posted Sat Mar 16, 2013, 7:46pm
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Shiite!!!

I can taste the plastic. Then there is the chemical crema and non existent taste in the coffee.
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Posted Sun Aug 4, 2013, 8:57pm
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capsule machines will just waste your money
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:43am
Subject: Re: espresso capsule machines
 

One will never accuse a pod/capsule machine of making high quality espresso, they do have their place though. Yes the brew from them is drinkable, it is expensive and it is easy to make. The buy in cost is pretty low when compared to true espresso equipment but the per drink cost is much more. For the most part, the quality of drink is as good or slightly better than chain coffee stores but it does not fall into the kind of equipment we prefer here.

They have their place though, in a hotel room, I would much rather see one of these machines than a black and decker 3 cup automatic drip machine. In an office with multiple users who are not trained in making quality coffee and do not care to learn, it is much better than the pot o drip on the burner all day.

So common guys, no it is not high end espresso but it is not plastic S$^&$# either !

 
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