onocoffee Senior Member Joined: 5 Sep 2002 Posts: 733 Location: Towson, Maryland Expertise: Just starting
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Posted Sun May 8, 2005, 6:11pm Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
expobar Said:
Does coffeegeek need to reflect society? Do we really want people attacking eachothers' personalities because we don't agree with what they believe in? That's what SDW and others are doing.
Go and cry in your own corner. Mark has already established the Rules of Engagement for Coffee Geek. Break them and you either get strikes or banner outright.
Whether you like it or not, Coffee Geek is a reflection of society.
And I should bother with the notions of someone like you? Someone who couldn't maintain his temper and childish behaviour by telling someone else to "STFU"?
expobar Said:
Mudslinging is part of the american process because Americans haven't tried to stop it.
Right or wrong is irrelevant here. I kind of appreciate your idealism. I had that kind of idealism when I was your age. Then I grew up and got involved in the community and the world. I don't play in mock high school model congresses. That's a nice way to see the ideal way a community should work together. But the real world is a harsh playground. Perhaps you and your generation will be able to maintain your idealism and make our society a better place because I do think society and politics is crap, but I doubt it.
expobar Said:
If mudslinging is okay because of the American process, let's legalize prostitution too.
Well, well, well, who's the little Georgy Bushy Young Neo Conservative now?
I'm actually all in favor of legalizing prostitution. Let people have sex with whomever, whenever and however they want. Making it illegal hasn't stopped people from having sex. Some people will pay twenty bucks on the street for sex, others will pay for clothing, houses, cars and children for sex. I'm not interesting in preventing either.
That said, I'm also in favor of legalizing drugs (yes, all of them), eliminating the drinking age, eliminating all smoking legislation
I think you're awfully sensitive. You refuse to answer pointed questions, and you've singled one person, lucky me, as the culprit of civil disobedience and ignored the other participants who most certainly are not "fair debaters", given the lack of facts offered. In a situation like a message board, this is very easy, because you can simply ignore any post you're ill-equipped to respond to, and create your own version of the truth by repeating falsehoods over and over again. It would be messed up if you were a grown man, but at 16, it's no big shock. And I don't say that as an insult, just as a statement of reality. Kids your age are great at stuff like that.
expobar Senior Member Joined: 25 Mar 2004 Posts: 3,003 Location: .
Posted Sun May 8, 2005, 6:21pm Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
onocoffee Said:
Go and cry in your own corner. Mark has already established the Rules of Engagement for Coffee Geek. Break them and you either get strikes or banner outright.
Whether you like it or not, Coffee Geek is a reflection of society.
I believe Mark's original "Rules of Engagement" are from the early days of CG, when political discussions weren't huge.
onocoffee Said:
And I should bother with the notions of someone like you? Someone who couldn't maintain his temper and childish behaviour by telling someone else to "STFU"?
First, you're avoiding the question by doing a personal attack. Second, that's in the past and I'm not like that anymore. In fact, I think the only person that isn't over that ordeal is you - Terry and I have made up and I've bought a lot more stuff from him.
onocoffee Said:
Why stop something when people are having so much fun?
Fun or not, this is ruining relationships between CGs. I didn't like JR for the longest time, because I got mixed up because I disagreed. I learned better. A lot of people dislike sdw because he's being abusive.
onocoffee Said:
Right or wrong is irrelevant here. I kind of appreciate your idealism. I had that kind of idealism when I was your age. Then I grew up and got involved in the community and the world. I don't play in mock high school model congresses. That's a nice way to see the ideal way a community should work together. But the real world is a harsh playground. Perhaps you and your generation will be able to maintain your idealism and make our society a better place because I do think society and politics is crap, but I doubt it.
Sure, I'm naive. I'm 16, I can't help it. But you know what? I think idealism can work in microchasms such as this community. If there are rules set up where people can logically discuss issues without attacking people, it can work a lot better.
onocoffee Said:
Well, well, well, who's the little Georgy Bushy Young Neo Conservative now?
How was that conservative? I was just saying that making a logical jump like that would also make any other logical jump work too.
And sdw, the reason I'm singling you is because you, almost solely, are the one causing such a huge ruckus on this thread. Hamm made one post that was off topic. Jay has been better than usual at not attacking me personally.
So far, you are the only one, along with soccermom, who has accused me of being abusive.
Apparently no matter how I repeat it, you won't ackowledge the difference between a request for facts and abuse. Moreover, you are seemingly hellbent on speaking about me in the third person as though to say I don't warrant contact. That shows your age, too.
If it causes a ruckus to ask a person to engage in intelligent dialogue, then so be it. Debate cannot occur unless people are held accountable for the content of their statements. Evidence is crucial, as is accountability. I have not attacked anyone whatsoever. The one time I did get out of line, I got a warning from the moderator, and that was the last time. It was justified. Since then, I have been careful not to attack people, but I have tried to get people to provide facts in a debate. You oppose this, apparently, and have tried to pose as a moderator, when it's clear that no one wants your rules. If you don't like what I have to say, continue ignoring me. If you want to challenge my facts, do so intelligently.
pinkfalcon Senior Member Joined: 1 Apr 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Lincoln, NE Expertise: Just starting
Posted Sun May 8, 2005, 7:47pm Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
SDW-Please get off the whole age thing. It's offensive and not backed-up by any facts. Even statistics prove nothing. Leave the age argument off, it doesn't help you pathos, ethos, and logos.
pinkfalcon Senior Member Joined: 1 Apr 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Lincoln, NE Expertise: Just starting
Posted Sun May 8, 2005, 8:08pm Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
I'm not denying that my age does not affect my opinions. What you are eluding to is different. Knowledge is gained through various means, however, you are trying to tell me that my age effects my knowledge. Very minimially is this true. My experiences my be fewer and different than yours, but my age has not hindred my ability to obtain knowledge. I do not even begin claim to know more than you, but do not ever underestimate my knowledge.
Also, do not belittle me into being just another teenager from debate club. You know nothing of me. This average teenager has achieved more several things that you couldn't do if you tried. Everyone excels at something different. I have no doubt that you too succeed in various ways, but until you know me well, you do not have the right to judge me.
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