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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 3:12pm
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
 

I lean towards agreeing with Eric. Only because I personaly am more comfortable with "dinner table" civil, non-superfluous, and logical discussion. But, I often even break those rules. I'm both a lethargically scared puppy and the guy who "hides" in the corner of a classroom with a hat over my face, and am just not compatible with loud mouths.
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 4:08pm
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for Political Discussions
 

The problem with political discussions is that even what counts as polite becomes a political issue.

Are these facts or vicous slanders?
  • Clinton is a hellbound adulteror who even lied about the meaning of "is."
  • Bush a reckless moron who just announced if he had been president, he would have started WWIII in 1945.

Are the people sayng these things breaking the bounds of civil discussion or simply being blunt?

We'd need a moderator from Mars to moderate these discussions.

 
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 5:19pm
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It is best not to post when you are either
-mad
-ignorant
or both....
If mad....breathe, think, post
if ignoranat....go read something and stop being ignorant...then post.
if both...do both.

There was a good saying in my Bible College....

"Individual humility=corporate unity"


-cd

 
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 5:39pm
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Power to Eric! ;)

I agree: we need a little more moderation...take any flat out statements as a challenge to educate/convert the poster about your point of view. Surely this should be the main objective in a debate, rather than directly attacking people who do not agree with your way of seeing things.
BTW - this is an open comment, not aimed at any individuals.

just my 2c,

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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 5:57pm
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For whatever reason, assumptions are plentifully given in political debates (an assumption on my part, because I don't have time to verify). How would you or a moderator properly deal with assumptions?
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 8:30pm
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sdw Said:

I would agree, but the rightwing media machine has tarred NPR with the
liberal-as-pejorative long ago.

Posted May 7, 2005 link

Uh-oh, here we go...

Zep had a great point, but when you think about it, are we responsible adults or do we need guidelines to help us out?

Like the comment above.  If you plant the word "leftwing" in place of "rightwing" you'd have my take on it. Replace NPR with Talk Radio  

The problem is, in our own minds, we're both correct.  If I told him he's nuts and that the media is completely slanted to the left, he'd want to defend his position, and he'd do it strongly because he'd be defending what he believes.  I think he'd do the same even if I said "Except for Fox News and Talk Radio, the media is slanted to the left." When one defends his/her beliefs, things get intense.  I have no personal negativity towards him, but his statements seem completely backward to me.  Likewise mine with him.  

So which one of us is right?  I think the Apocalypse will happen before we know for sure.

If we establish posting guidelines, it might make for friendlier posts here, but would it create ill feelings among some of us when we want to defend our position?  

Incidentally, I've listened to NPR before and most of the time I enjoy it.  I respect people who can make educated decisions based on their own intellect, ability to gather information from numerous sources, and willingness to accept the fact that there are usually three sides to every story, one of them being the truth, which happens to be the most painful bit.

One part I'm with 100%:  Avoiding personal attacks.  Issues can be debated but when personal atacks begin, a degree of class is lost.

Oh, one more thing.  In case you're one who thinks that Fox News is right-wing, have you ever just watched the news part?  Forget Hannity, O'Riley, etc. Straight-up news is the most politically balanced I have ever seen.  It favors neither side in the reporting.  

Sorry if that digressed a bit.

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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 9:24pm
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Forget it.

I just deleted my whole post.

It's impossible to have a debate when facts are being excluded.

Like I said, there's no premium on truth these days. You conservatives
may be winning the battle, but I don't think you'll win the war.

Time will tell.
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 10:03pm
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Led...you expect an even tempered, reasoned discussion between opposing viewpoints...when both sides have been sleepless for 6 weeks, due to super-copious amounts of caffeine?  ;>D
Seriously, my friend, those who find these off-topic threads objectionable, or a waste of time (as I do)...except for this thread, obviously.. need not click on the link(s)...therefore....I'm oughta here.

 
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 10:10pm
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I'd say a reasoned political discussion is valuable, but a lot of these are getting out of hand.  I read sdw's edited post, and it pretty much had everything I wanted to make a rule against.
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Posted Sat May 7, 2005, 10:53pm
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Society is the way it is and CoffeeGeek.com does exist.  Whether or not society does things the "best" way is irrelevant.  Society does what it does - and part of that is to decimate your opponent.

It's not nice.  It's not "politically correct."  It's not even very pleasant.  You want to be "nice," "fair," and "logical"?  Maybe you should stay in a high school model congress or United Nations.  You want to see how the real world operates, watch the real United States Congress in action.  Kids, like yourself, can act in these nice ways because your actions in this congressional tournament have no bearing on your life or your world.  They have no power.  Power corrupts and is the downfall of our system.

The modus of our nation isn't to refute something.  It's to attack and decimate.  Watch the news.  Watch politics.  Watch business. Our goal is to beat our enemy.  That's all that matters.  Hook or by crook.  Smear 'em if you have to.  

It's the American Way.

Whether it's "nice" or not is irrelevant.
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