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nbarlow
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Posted Sat Nov 2, 2013, 8:32am
Subject: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

Hi guys,

Looking to take the next step in making espresso, from my current set up of the DeLonghi EC155 & Hario Mini Mill to the Saeco Via Venezia and the Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder. Unfortunately both items are a sizable investment so felt this would be a good place to start looking for used options.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks in advance!

Nate

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OregonCityMan
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Espresso: Salvatore SES Semi
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Posted Sun Nov 3, 2013, 9:28pm
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

What's your budget like for a new machine. That Saeco looks like a Starbucks Barista, and costs about the same. I own a Barista, but it is in my garage as it leaked badly within a year. If you can afford the Rancillo Silvia, it is well received by consumers. I was going to buy one until I found the Salvatore Semi.

GL
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Burner0000
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Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 6:01am
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

+1 I an vouch for that. I have a Silvia and it's a great machine! Very well built! If your tight for money watch the Buy/Sell forum. I picked mine up from another CG member for $325 in great shape.  Also if your considering the Virtuoso go with the Preciso. It has more fine tuning of grind which is essential for espresso. PS: a modded stepless Hario Skerton is a good cheap option for a hand espresso grinder. It's on par with my stepless Macap. :D
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nbarlow
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia V1
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Drip: Hario V60 01
Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 6:27am
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

Thanks for the prompt response guys.

OregonCityMan Said:

What's your budget like for a new machine. That Saeco looks like a Starbucks Barista, and costs about the same. I own a Barista, but it is in my garage as it leaked badly within a year. If you can afford the Rancillo Silvia, it is well received by consumers. I was going to buy one until I found the Salvatore Semi.
GL

Posted November 3, 2013 link

OregonCityMan:
Yes, the Saeco Via Venezia is in fact the Starbucks Barista, just under another name. My budget is about $300, so I was interested in the Saeco Via Venezia because its retail value lined up with my budget.

However, as Burner pointed out, I may be able to find a Rancillo Silvia for $300 used on the Buy/Sell forum which would be phenomenal as I agree it reviews consistently high reviews, please let me know if you came across any being sold.


Burner0000 Said:

+1 I an vouch for that. I have a Silvia and it's a great machine! Very well built! If your tight for money watch the Buy/Sell forum. I picked mine up from another CG member for $325 in great shape.  Also if your considering the Virtuoso go with the Preciso. It has more fine tuning of grind which is essential for espresso. PS: a modded stepless Hario Skerton is a good cheap option for a hand espresso grinder. It's on par with my stepless Macap. :D

Posted November 4, 2013 link

Burner:
Thanks for the advice and will start to browse the Buy/Sell forums for a used Rancilo Silvia and try to find one at my budget price point of $300. In regards to the Hario Skerton, I was told that it produced very similar grinds to my current grinder - the Hario Mini Mill. For me, the problem has not been in grind quality (consistency and size are great) but rather for espresso the grinds sit for too long and in my opinion lose some of their flavor/complexity.
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Burner0000
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Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 7:49am
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

nbarlow Said:

Burner:
Thanks for the advice and will start to browse the Buy/Sell forums for a used Rancilo Silvia and try to find one at my budget price point of $300. In regards to the Hario Skerton, I was told that it produced very similar grinds to my current grinder - the Hario Mini Mill. For me, the problem has not been in grind quality (consistency and size are great) but rather for espresso the grinds sit for too long and in my opinion lose some of their flavor/complexity.

Posted November 4, 2013 link

Well the finer you grind the faster it's gonna go stale. I only ever ground for what I was about to brew. Are you talking about the coffee going stale during grind time?  Grinding only ever takes me 30 sec - 1 min.  Prep time with my Macap isn't much different.
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Burner0000
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Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 8:15am
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

Here's some nice deals.

Gaggia Color

Black Gaggia Color


Gaggia Classic
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Angman
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Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:50pm
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

I am a little confused about your comment? Are you suggesting that you take so loooooong to hand grind that the grind becomes stale?  To be honest I think if your budget is limited perhaps stick with the Hario and maybe bump your budget for the machine by $50-100 and you might have better luck with your Silvia or similar purchase.  Unless you need to grind a high volume you're not going to get significantly better with the Baratza.  Some Orphan Espresso Lido's have come up for sale recently and those might be a better option.




Burner:
Thanks for the advice and will start to browse the Buy/Sell forums for a used Rancilo Silvia and try to find one at my budget price point of $300. In regards to the Hario Skerton, I was told that it produced very similar grinds to my current grinder - the Hario Mini Mill. For me, the problem has not been in grind quality (consistency and size are great) but rather for espresso the grinds sit for too long and in my opinion lose some of their flavor/complexity.
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nbarlow
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia V1
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Drip: Hario V60 01
Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 1:25pm
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

Angman Said:

I am a little confused about your comment? Are you suggesting that you take so loooooong to hand grind that the grind becomes stale?  To be honest I think if your budget is limited perhaps stick with the Hario and maybe bump your budget for the machine by $50-100 and you might have better luck with your Silvia or similar purchase.  Unless you need to grind a high volume you're not going to get significantly better with the Baratza.  Some Orphan Espresso Lido's have come up for sale recently and those might be a better option.

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Hi Angman, I appreciate your inquiry and advice. Hopefully I can articulate my problem clearly enough and you can help me to understand if it's a legitimate problem that the Baratza would improve/solve. My process is as follows:

1) I grind a double-shot worth of beans using my Hario Mini Mill and leave the grinds in the sealed tube (leading to clumping). Takes 3-4 minutes
2) I steam/froth my milk. Takes 1 minute
3) I temperature surf my Delonghi EC155. Takes 1 minute
4) I de-clump my grounds, dose basket and tamp. Takes 2 minutes

At this point I am ready to pull my shot, however the time that has passed since beginning to grind my beans until I actually pull the shot is up to 8 minutes for the first beans to be ground and at the shortest 4 minutes for the last bean that was ground. From my understanding, coffee should be used within 30 seconds of grinding - a feat that I can not currently achieve. I'm not sure if this is a problem with my process/method or if the time lapsed even matters?

With an electric grinder, such as the Baratza Virtuoso Preciso I could quickly grind the beans only AFTER having steamed my milk, therefore greatly decreasing the amount of time the grinds sit not being used.

Please let me know your thoughts and if you have any questions regarding my explanation. Once again, your insights are much appreciated!

Burner0000 Said:

Here's some nice deals.

Gaggia Color
Black Gaggia Color
Gaggia Classic

Posted November 4, 2013 link

Thanks for the suggestions and will begin combing through them. Definitely enticed by the possibility of a used Rancilio Silvia V3 for $300 - seems like a great investment and definitely recognize that my Delonghi EC155 is holding me back more than the Hario Mini Mill haha.
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Burner0000
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Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Wed Nov 6, 2013, 8:55am
Subject: Re: WTB: Saeco Via Venezia Espresso Machine & Baratza Virtuoso Preciso Grinder
 

A Silvia just showed up in the Buy, Sell forum. :)  Looks like a good deal.  Jump on it! :)
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