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Burner0000
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 5:17am
Subject: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

I am looking for a 1 group espresso machine that is commercial grade but uses 110-125V power source.  I would like to use this as a home machine and if needed a loner machine for a cafe if my 2 group needs to be serviced. I would like to stay under $1,000 anthing over and I would rather buy a new semi commercial machine.

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Asking / Suggested Price: 500
Seller Name: Chris Brown
Seller Location: Kitchener, ON Canada
Sale Type: Wanted to Buy
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 6:34am
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

I wish you luck.

I think you will have a better time getting in your price range if you open yourself up to a 220 v machine as a lot of people do not want to run a 220 v circuit to the kitchen so the demand for 220 v machines is lower as they are less user friendly for the home kitchen.

That said, it IS possible to get a commercial single group machine in 110v, that is what I have but the used value of my 8 year old machine is more than three times what you are asking to stay within.

Check Craigs list and throw away advertising papers in your location, look everywhere and be ready with cash, you will eventually find a good deal but you need to be able to snap it up that instant.


EDIT;

There is an Oscar for sale here but it is combined with a grinder and they are asking $800 for the bundle, out of your price range. Used Oscars in good shape run about $500 or so, they are OK for light commercial use. I have used one for groups of about 40 people but not everyone was drinking coffee and while it performed flawlessly, it was slower than it would have been with a 2 gp machine.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/575863

 
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 10:27am
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

Thx guys! :)

I have contacted the seller about the NS Oscar.  I did a dive on this machine over lunch and I gotta say other than no hot water tap or sight glass it's a little plastic tank!  I may just get this thing.  Kinda want the not plumbed in model. :s

I am also looking for home/office models that are NSF rated and have a 58mm commercial brewhead as well as a steam wand.  Do the Lelit's?
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 11:53am
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

To get hot water from an Oscar, just pull blank shots through an empty basket, simple, brew temp water.

Once you go plumb in, it is hard to go back, really.
Run it on bottles if you must and use a pump such as a Surflow or Flowjet to supply pressurized water to the machine and run a hose into an empty bottle for a drain.

Oscar is NSF and ETL cetrtified and has commercial parts inside but I would not use it as a main machine in a busy shop. In a pinch it will fill in but a 220v plumbed two group will run rings around it, just saying.

Like I said, I did use mine for smallish parties, 30-40 people and the pour over tank and drip tray were a PITA but it DID do OK in a catering setup.

NSF cert, I am not aware of home models that are so certified, there may be some but that is not the type of service they were designed for and it costs a manufacturer a pretty penny to get that cert.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:31pm
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

Thanks guys!

Very true guys.  I have been looking at the pumps and I was able to find the flowjet OS uses in one of his videos.  
At this point I think I'm gonna go with the Oscar.  I can't believe I never thought of using the group as a hot water source..  I want a machine that is used at home to make only a few shots per day if that.  In a cafe setting just a loner machine for a day or 2.  Hope it can handle the task.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 5:35am
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

Still looking? I have a La Cimbali M30 Bistro single head commercial machine. It is 110v, plumb in, 58mm group, has both steam (w LOTS of pressure) and hot water arms. If you are familiar with the Cimbali Junior, which gets lots of great reviews, you'll see many similarities here. The M30 Bistro is basically a larger more 'coffee shop ready' version of the Junior and the internal components are basically the same. I've been running this machine in my home for a couple of years. Before that it sat unused for several years. Recently I moved into a small condo and don't really have room for it anymore.

As for the debate to plumb in or not to plumb in... it's really not that hard to plumb in a machine. calblacksmith is absolutely right - once you go plumb in it's hard to go back! If the machine needs water, it'll get water. One less thing to worry about.

I really was hoping to get more than $1000 for my machine - it was over $5000 when new. But maybe we can work something out. I'm in Toronto, so not too far a drive for you to check it out...
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Posted Wed Sep 19, 2012, 6:57pm
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

Still looking?  I've got a Rio single group, single boiler heat exchange, model JNU-sme1.  110v 20amps.  $750.00  I've been happy with it, but it's a monster in a small kitchen...

The photo is an example, I'll send you an actual pic if you like, but it's on my home computer.  I'm at work...

pcmb: 7456_rio.jpg
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Posted Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:06pm
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

calblacksmith Said:

I wish you luck.

I think you will have a better time getting in your price range if you open yourself up to a 220 v machine as a lot of people do not want to run a 220 v circuit to the kitchen so the demand for 220 v machines is lower as they are less user friendly for the home kitchen.

That said, it IS possible to get a commercial single group machine in 110v, that is what I have but the used value of my 8 year old machine is more than three times what you are asking to stay within.

Check Craigs list and throw away advertising papers in your location, look everywhere and be ready with cash, you will eventually find a good deal but you need to be able to snap it up that instant.


EDIT;

There is an Oscar for sale here but it is combined with a grinder and they are asking $800 for the bundle, out of your price range. Used Oscars in good shape run about $500 or so, they are OK for light commercial use. I have used one for groups of about 40 people but not everyone was drinking coffee and while it performed flawlessly, it was slower than it would have been with a 2 gp machine.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/575863

Posted September 6, 2012 link

Do you just go around posting in WTB threads, trying to crush people's dreams?
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Burner0000
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 8:35am
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

Hello Alexspresso,

$1000 is out of my price range at the moment for a used machine. If possible I am looking for a smaller machine for the kitchen.

Hello pcmb,

I am trying to stick to a 15A load max.  If I were to install a 20A line I may as well just install a 220V line and use my 2 group machine I already have.  

Thx guys for offering! :)
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Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 1:11pm
Subject: Re: WTB  Commercial 1 group espresso machine for home use/ Cafe back up machine
 

auxpomme Said:

Do you just go around posting in WTB threads, trying to crush people's dreams?

Posted September 19, 2012 link

No, I do post real world though. It is fine to dream but one day everyone needs to wake up. I am the first to say where to find deals on used equipment when asked and I have looked at a LOT of used equipment, thus it is from a whole lot of time behind the steering wheel and a lot of pairs of shoes having been worn out that I gave a bit of advice. YES it may be possible to find a machine within the very narrow guidlines that started this thread but having been in the real world and seeing what is out there, it may be a long wait and look.

Then on the other hand, the OP may get VERY lucky and find a machine to fit the guide lines right off the bat. Stuff happens for sure.

When looking for used equipment, look in the local paper, the throwaway add papers that are direct mailed to your house, look at Craigs list, esp use misspelled titles, look in restaurant salvage yards and supply houses, ask every place you stop to look if they know of someone selling what you are looking for.

The fact is that used equipment in the semi pro to professional caliber does not loose value very quickly so to find new looking gear, in great working condition for half or less than new price, that does not come around often.

Have I answered your question?

 
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