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kacang
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 6:17am
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Cool! Like seemingly ALL folk form Holland, your English is exemplary...my Dutch is weak/nonexistant. How is it that your are in Indonesia (I note that your spouse is Indonesian) and do you plan to stay indefinately?

Hi,len, thx for the compliment, If you know my working history, you won't be surpised though, was an AT&T employee for 12 years, been living both in Naperville (chicago, suburbs, Bell labs) and in UK for a while, and last 11 years working for a Australian/US company in JKT.

It all, frankly, seems silly to me [see my post above]. If I tried to have an open mind about this, and that (having an open mind) is tough, I would still find the whole too essoteric and too disgusting to be tried.  

yeah, me too, but i keep in mind that some bean processing actualy involves a certain amount of fermentation to get the mucas off the actual bean, which needs to be done properly and not to long, otherwise the fermentation taste will get into the bean. What if, just say what if, the whole process of the luak, digesting the cherry and pooing out the bean has just the right amount of stomach acids and other chemical processes in his intestines to get the bean out his 'butt' he he he he, correctly ?? Just what if ? I dunno, i won't be able to say until I try..

Interresting. IIUC, we are told here in the USA, that green beans can be stored for up to a couple of years without effect on their roasted taste. My iner voice tells me that everything is better fresh. (Well, OK, fresh roasted beans aren't good until they de-gas - but you get my idea.) Hence, it must be nice to be able to have beans picked up which were just harvested. Uber cool!

Do I assume correctly that you live in Jakarta?

Len

Well I actually read that certain farmers are storing green beens for quite a while until they need money and sell them as aged beans. According to what I read this will only work if the beans are stored properly and in the same climate as where they were grown. I have had the beans now for maybe three or 4 months and they seem just fine. I can't judge if they are good beans or not since I have no comparison material but they tasted great after I got the roast sortof ok, after having smoke clouds and chaff all over the place the first three times I tried (without success). Like they say here you learn the best by doing it manually... he he he he he.

And Yes I live in jakarta. Busy city, lots of traffic, but outside the city, it's pretty neat.. Seen all sorts of stuff I never seen in my pre-jakarta life. Like rubber plantations, cocoa plantations and ofcourse coffee plantations, tea plantations etc etc... If I have a bit more time I am hoping to get to some other coffee plantations and have a good look and 'taste' around.. I am getting intrigued by the fact that all this is so close to me...

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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 6:25am
Subject: Re: Looking for Kopi Luwak coffee.
 

kacang Said:

And Yes I live in jakarta. Busy city, lots of traffic, but outside the city, it's pretty neat.. Seen all sorts of stuff I never seen in my pre-jakarta life. Like rubber plantations, cocoa plantations and ofcourse coffee plantations, tea plantations etc etc... If I have a bit more time I am hoping to get to some other coffee plantations and have a good look and 'taste' around.. I am getting intrigued by the fact that all this is so close to me...

Erick

Posted February 26, 2006 link

Erick,

Very nice to hear from you. I, too, have been to Jakarta several times...always on business. (Selling to P.T. Parkasa Indobaja, for one.) It is an interesting and vibrant city.

Do let us know if you get to taste the poop coffee. I hear what you are saying about the bean's fermentation, et al.  Still, no thanks!

Len

 
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kacang
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 8:44pm
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Worldman Said:

Erick,

Very nice to hear from you. I, too, have been to Jakarta several times...always on business. (Selling to P.T. Parkasa Indobaja, for one.) It is an interesting and vibrant city.

Do let us know if you get to taste the poop coffee. I hear what you are saying about the bean's fermentation, et al.  Still, no thanks!

Len

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Perkasa Indobaja, steel bussiness ehh.. Let me know when you back in town again you can always email me  at kacang@cbn.net.id


Good to talk to you...


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SyncH
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 11:57pm
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Len,

My "local folks" means I can get the original kopi luwak instead of the mixed or fake one. I already got some, still covered with civet poops, which show it's not fake, and they have different color than the common coffee bean (green if unroasted). civet coffee beans is quite yellow and brown in color (unroasted).

For the first, I can send a little sample for somebody who interested to buy.

And for everyone information, Civets can't be trained, which means we can't have a farm of civets and feed them with coffee cherries. It's just their nature, they don't only eat cherries, they also eat insects, little mamal, birds, etc. And only eat cherries as their dessert :)
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kacang
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Posted Mon Feb 27, 2006, 12:17am
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SyncH Said:

Len,

My "local folks" means I can get the original kopi luwak instead of the mixed or fake one. I already got some, still covered with civet poops, which show it's not fake, and they have different color than the common coffee bean (green if unroasted). civet coffee beans is quite yellow and brown in color (unroasted).

For the first, I can send a little sample for somebody who interested to buy.

And for everyone information, Civets can't be trained, which means we can't have a farm of civets and feed them with coffee cherries. It's just their nature, they don't only eat cherries, they also eat insects, little mamal, birds, etc. And only eat cherries as their dessert :)

Posted February 26, 2006 link

synchH, I said pretty much the same thing.. As for proof of it being real luak coffee, I don't think keeping the beans in the pooh might be a good thing. I would think that they would wash the beans from the pooh as soon as they collected the luak pooh, to keep getting the 'normal' pooh chemicals from getting into the beans.. I'd be interested in some samples. (already roasted) to be able to give an evaluation here on coffeegeeks..
(kirim email ke saya aja, ntar aku kasi tau nr HP deh)..

Cheers,


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Posted Mon Feb 27, 2006, 7:22am
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Wow, this conversation has really gotten informative.  It had fallen into silly there for a while.  It's cool to hear the perspective of people close to the source...no pun intended.  :oP

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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2007, 2:07pm
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Len, I wouldn't dismiss an animal's sense of smell so easily.  I personally wouldn't doubt that a ripe fruit would smell differently to a dog than would an unripe fruit.
Of course, how similar the furry little cherry picker's nose is to a dog's is an entirely separate issue.  I certainly don't know.

Gaelan, there are rules regarding commercial posts here.  You may want to check it out (bottom of forum pages).

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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2007, 4:51pm
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TroyR Said:

Len, I wouldn't dismiss an animal's sense of smell so easily.  I personally wouldn't doubt that a ripe fruit would smell differently to a dog than would an unripe fruit....snip...
Troy

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Oh, we were being serious here.   Sorry ...

:)

Len
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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2007, 5:09pm
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

Oh, we were being serious here.   Sorry ...

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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2007, 5:38pm
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REUTERS, April 20, 2007 – Kopi Luwak Counterfeiters Apprehended

Chinese authorities announce the arrest of 37 Kopi Luwak counterfeiters today in the mainland province of Longdung. Local police set a trap using a skunk dyed to look like an Indonesian Luwak. They watched from trees and filmed the gang as they appeared.

Unable to get the skunk to eat the inferior Cantonese Yerkidinme coffee berries they resorted to pushing them in the other end expecting to “harvest” Exxon-like profits. As the police descended the trees the gang  scattered to a nearby village and blended in with locals. Their subterfuge didn’t work and their freedom was short-lived when the police brought in the People’s CSI who assisted in the arrests by sniffing fingers.

Gang members later confessed to receiving financial support from the Coffee RoastErs Manufacturers Association (CREMA).  Roasting the counterfeit beans renders the machines unusable as they continue to spew foul odors and contaminate other batches processed in the same machine; thereby requiring purchase of new equipment.

It is unknown how long the gang has been in operation or how much of the counterfeit product has been shipped to world markets.
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