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Javadawg
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Posted Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:20am
Subject: Belle Espresso - Americano?
 

So I picked up a bag of Belle from Klatch last week. I typically drink Americanos, but it seems like the Belle isn't able to come through very well? It's very smooth, but the strong coffee flavor just isn't there like with some of the other beans I have tried. Is there a way other than just using less water to get the flavor stronger? Maybe Belle just isn't well suited to Americanos though?

Thanks for any help/opinions you can provide!
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Posted Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:32am
Subject: Re: Belle Espresso - Americano?
 

Hi Java,

Not sure I can really help, but thought I'd at least provide some feedback.  I don't usually drink Americanos, but about 50% of the drinks I make for my wife are.  I've used Klatch's Belle, World's Best Espresso, Kean's Espresso Blend, Velton's Bonsai Blend, and most recently Intelligentsia's Black Cat Analog.  In terms of flavor, both for espresso and wife's feedback on Americanos, we both liked Belle and Black Cat the best so far...their flavors are bold.

What's the normal concentration you use?  How many grams of whole beans, oz of espresso, and oz of water do you use?  I use 16 grams of beans, extract usually around 32 grams (somewhere around 1.25 oz liquid/2 oz w/ crema), and add about 6-8 oz water.

Have you tried taste-testing a straight espresso shot?  That might give you some additional feedback on what might be going on with the diluted Americano...?


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Posted Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:39am
Subject: Re: Belle Espresso - Americano?
 

Thanks for the feedback. Weigh out 15gr of beans for my 53mm basket. Pull around 1.5oz total. However, I don't measure my water which I know is a huge variable here. Maybe I should start doing that and see where it gets me. Good to know it should work well in Americanos. I think I'm not used to the smoothness of the blend. Most of what I've tried is quite a bit more acidic than Belle I think.
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Posted Mon Jan 13, 2014, 1:00pm
Subject: Re: Belle Espresso - Americano?
 

Hi Java,

Hmmm...maybe you should pull your shot just a smidge shorter.  You're weighing a gram less than me, and extracting slightly more (did you mean 1.5 oz liquid, or w/ crema?).  Maybe drop the water content by a couple of oz as well.

Oh, I forgot...I made my dad an Americano w/ these beans too...he normally just drinks drip, metal filter, black, and really enjoyed the Belle.

Yeah, it is really smooth...great beans.  Good luck!
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