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Aristoc
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 6:50am
Subject: Re: letting espresso brew until coffee cup is full.
 

Sorry but I looked at my grinder again and it is the Maestro Plus. With 40 steps of adjustments. the instruction manual also says it is for espresso. from 0-14.

So I think my grinder is up to the task.

In the meantime i reassembled my portafilter to keep the pressurization valve. And I will have to play more and experiement around before I ask too many more questions. I'll see what I can get out of this set up for now.
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 7:14am
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Here is a great link on a coffeegeek review of Baratza's full line of grinders which at the time did not include the Maestro *plus* just the standard Maestro. Still, some food for thought and a great read with information on how proper espresso grind should look and feel. Click Here (www.coffeegeek.com)
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 7:54am
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that's a really great review. thank you. they teseted the maestro , not the maestro plus. i wonder if grind level is better on the plus to the point of espresso grind?

I had a nice 'americano this morning'. I am now fililng my cup half with water and the other half with the espresso brew, from the pressurized portafilter. the taste is very good, perhaps better than with i brewed completely up to an 8 oz cup.

I had nice rich 'foam' or 'crema' on top. I don't know which one anymore. it lasted a while, maybe 5 mintues or a little more.

I guess I am a cup of coffee drinker with an extra splash of foamy stuff on top who doesn't like to use drip coffee makers and owns a nice entry level grinder.

I have to say that on weekend, i go for the special capucini's and occasionaly an espresso but they are not that tasty here. too bitter or too sour usually. its true.

i am going to keep practicing and figure out some routine. to see what happens.

thank you
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 8:01am
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PLEASE hear us, the grinder is NOT up to the task of espresso, regardless of what the advert copy or user directions say. IT IS NOT AN ESPRESSO GRINDER!

 
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 5:30am
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well my friends sorry but I am not going to buy another  grinder at $300-400 to operate my $59 Peomia :)  

Perhaps in the future I would upgrade my equipment but not for now.

I am getting enough coffee to satisfy me and so I will live with what I have.

Perhaps I will find a manual grinder as mentioned somewhere that is inexpensive.
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 5:36am
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You will, I am fairly certain.
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 7:09am
Subject: Re: letting espresso brew until coffee cup is full.
 

Aristoc Said:

Sorry but I looked at my grinder again and it is the Maestro Plus. With 40 steps of adjustments. the instruction manual also says it is for espresso. from 0-14.

So I think my grinder is up to the task.

In the meantime i reassembled my portafilter to keep the pressurization valve. And I will have to play more and experiement around before I ask too many more questions. I'll see what I can get out of this set up for now.

Posted December 19, 2013 link

No, it's not even remotely close to capable for espresso even though plenty of cheap machines say they are. What they mean by that is "pressurized" portafilter espresso machines that don't even make espresso. A $50 grinder can choke out a $5k espresso machine, but just b/c it can do that doesn't mean it'll work, a lot of people assume fine grinding = espresso. Real espresso grinders not only grind fine, but their burr sets allow them the right grind quality, fines control which is where the cheap grinders fail, and step-less adjustment etc.

If your filling a cup with half coffee and half water that's not an Americano if your using an 8oz cup, that won't even taste like coffee, 4oz from a pressurized basket or any basket is horribly over-extracted.

Like I said your way better off keeping the machine as is for your shots, and getting an Aeropress since you want a full cup of coffee. Aeropress is like $25 and makes top notch coffee and your Maestro will work with it. If you still want to play with your machine you can depressurize it, grab a Hario Slim or Skerton, do the locknut mod to make them step-less and you'll be able to use your machine depressurized w/o buying an expensive grinder.
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:21pm
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Aristoc Said:

I am getting enough coffee to satisfy me and so I will live with what I have.

Posted December 20, 2013 link

This is the most important thing. Please understand that we're not trying to get you to support the coffee industry, but rather only trying to help you understand what your missing.  In the long run, you have to balance what you want and need with your budget and decide what's best for you.

And if you really do want to make a big improvement and stay in your budget, then take Chris' advice...

CMIN Said:

...Like I said your way better off keeping the machine as is for your shots, and getting an Aeropress since you want a full cup of coffee. Aeropress is like $25 and makes top notch coffee and your Maestro will work with it. If you still want to play with your machine you can depressurize it, grab a Hario Slim or Skerton, do the locknut mod to make them step-less and you'll be able to use your machine depressurized w/o buying an expensive grinder.

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Posted Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:15am
Subject: Re: letting espresso brew until coffee cup is full.
 

Absolutely you can do this. It's not an Americano but more commonly referred to as a Coffee Shot and with certain beans, I prefer it to an Americano and am not a big fan of the Americano anyway.

Check out this discussion on H-B and definitely watch the Matt Perger video that started the conversation:
Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

Also, Sprudge recently posted Matt's tips - Coffee Shot 101
Click Here (sprudge.com)

Don't believe people who tell you this style will always result in bad coffee. With the right equipment and technique, it's quite alright! :)
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 1:18pm
Subject: Re: letting espresso brew until coffee cup is full.
 

Thanks for the interesting links.

Now that I have had a chance to get use to my new machine, what I have been doing for about a week and a half is
grinding my favorite beens on the finest setting of the Baratza Maestro Plus machine that I can.
The coffee machine/mug and portafilter are pre heated. I then fill the portafilter and do a light tamp. The porta filter is still pressurized.
I brew a 25 second shot and then I add my hot 6 oz of hot water.

So far this has produced what I believe is a nice crema and a nice tasting coffee. Not bitter not sour. Not bad. I no longer even have to add cream or sugar like I used to do for years. I hope that I can keep this up.

I have to try the 'coffee shot' method described in the link some day with the right beans for sure.

Thanks.!




johndrobison Said:

Absolutely you can do this. It's not an Americano but more commonly referred to as a Coffee Shot and with certain beans, I prefer it to an Americano and am not a big fan of the Americano anyway.

Check out this discussion on H-B and definitely watch the Matt Perger video that started the conversation:
Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

Also, Sprudge recently posted Matt's tips - Coffee Shot 101
Click Here (sprudge.com)

Don't believe people who tell you this style will always result in bad coffee. With the right equipment and technique, it's quite alright! :)

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