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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 8:12am
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nkbsbl Said:

I'm actually very much considering the Rancilio Rocky Doserless grinder. From everything I've read, it sounds like it should be high enough quality for my machine.

Posted October 16, 2013 link

Before going for that, take a look at Baratza.

I had a Rocky for about 7 years. I changed the burrs twice, and when I sold it it needed burrs again. I sold it to a friend who does drip, press, and Aeropress. As far as I know he still uses it and it is 13 years old. Rocky will last many, many years in home use. It is more than adequate for most coffee grinding needs except for espresso where it falls short. If you find a used one it would be a better deal. There are mods you can do. Search for "Rocky stepless mod" and do the Teflon tape modification which helps. The threads on the upper carrier and the way they match to the body and are of low tolerance for a quality coffee grinder and allow the upper burr to wobble. While that is unacceptable in a precision tool, it can be overcome with the mod. It just shouldn't be necessary. And as mentioned, grinding for espresso and being able to fine-tune the grind is critical. Rocky will supply maybe two "steps" that will best work for espresso. One step in Rocky is about a four to seven second change in extraction. That's a lot.

Rocky also creates a dense grind and tends to clump. A doser model helps with that a lot. Plan on doing the WDT when grinding if you get that grinder.

 
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Posted Mon Oct 21, 2013, 6:40am
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Hi FRCN, thanks for the tip! I'll take a look at the Baratza - which model do you recommend? Thanks!
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Posted Mon Oct 21, 2013, 8:13am
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Baratza Preciso (~$300) is the minimum acceptable for espresso.  However, I can't recommend it unless you're on a very restricted budget.  

The Baratza Vario (~$450 - $550, depending on model) is one of the few pieces of equipment in the espresso universe which punches above its price.  In the greater scheme of things it's a very good flat-burr grinder -- at least at the 54mm diameter burr size.  It produces a very fluffy espresso grind and has enough control to be really useful for dialing-in.  It is the least expensive Baratza grinder I can recommend for espresso use.  

However, the recommendation is limited to "espresso only," and -- despite the "Vario" moniker -- does not include multi-purpose use.  Varios are affected by "slip."  They're notoriously difficult to dial (back) in when moved from a successful espresso setting to anything coarser, then back to espresso.  Furthermore, Varios equipped with stock burrs do a piss poor press grind -- too many fines.  

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Posted Fri Oct 25, 2013, 6:21am
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Now I'm thinking the Mazzer Mini. The reviews on that seem much better. It's more expensive, but sounds worth it.
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Posted Fri Oct 25, 2013, 9:29am
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nkbsbl Said:

Now I'm thinking the Mazzer Mini. The reviews on that seem much better. It's more expensive, but sounds worth it.

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Not really, the Mini is not worth it imo. Vario is cheaper and will kill it in taste in the cup and grind quality. Mini is kinda the bastard child of the "built" grinders if you know what I mean when you start getting into this price range, far better offerings cheaper/same/little more money.
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Posted Fri Oct 25, 2013, 6:13pm
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CMIN Said:

Not really, the Mini is not worth it imo. Vario is cheaper and will kill it in taste in the cup and grind quality. Mini is kinda the bastard child of the "built" grinders if you know what I mean when you start getting into this price range, far better offerings cheaper/same/little more money.

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True dat.  +1.

Used SJ is good too.  You can still find them pretty easily.  Mini with SJ burrs is nice -- SJ performance with Mini form factor.

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