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calblacksmith
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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 6:12am
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

No, that is not able to grind for espresso, it is a fake burr grinder, pretty much the same thing you have with the blade chopper, they only make the chopper part to look like a burr.
Under US $100 all you will find are hand powered grinders that are able to properly grind for espresso. Even then, you pretty much need to get to $350 US before you can buy a grinder with a motor on it that is able to grind for espresso. Sorry, Espresso is an expensive game and esp with starter machines, the grinder is MUCH more important than the machine.

 
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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 7:36am
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

Your link went to the Amazon (Germany) home page, not to a particular grinder.

An espresso grinder not only has to grind small enough for the brew method it should grind within a fairly tight range of size distrubitions AND allow the barista to make very fine adjustments within in the appropriate size range -- because those adjustments allow control over the taste of the coffee.  So, a grinder good enough for espresso is not an easy (or inexpensive) thing.

I don't know everything about every entry-level grinder available in the US, much less in Germany.  However, the least expensive, electrically powered grinder I know of, at least adequate for espresso, is the Baratza Preciso.  I understand that there's a competitive LeLit, but don't even know the model number.

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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 4:49am
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

boar_d_laze Said:

Your link went to the Amazon (Germany) home page, not to a particular grinder.

Posted October 18, 2013 link

I think that's just the forum software being confusing; the "Click here" text goes to the actual link, but the "(www.amazon.de)" in brackets goes to the front page.
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:34am
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

The link is below.
Click Here (www.amazon.de)
As I said, it is not any better than what you have now. NO IT WILL NOT WORK FOR ESPRESSO!
You need a grinder that WAS DESIGNED FOR ONLY ESPRESSO, About the least expensive grinder I can say to start looking at is
Click Here (www.jlhufford.com)

 
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boar_d_laze
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

You're right.  I did click on the wrong link.  But it wasn't the forum software that was confusing, it was the way it was used.  

There are better and easier ways to use the link command than posting one link for the desired page and labeling it "Click Here," and a second for the host's home page.    

Better, in my opinion, would be to simply create a link to the desired page using a description of the page for the link's text.   For instance, doesn't setting up a link like this one, Mazzer Robur E, seem more straightforward?  

It's simply a matter of being a little less literal with the commands.  Just as it isn't necessary to write the word italics when you want to stress, or striked when you want to infer imply a sense of humor, neither is it necessary to write "Click Here."

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Posted Fri Nov 1, 2013, 6:26am
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but that is what the forum does if you just paste a link straight into the text.
Not everyone is computer literate enough to know how to hyperlink

OP - to get a proper espresso grinder the minimum starting range is around 300 usd, and there isn't much worth buying under 500. I bought a k3 touch which has stepless adjustment (no notches just smooth turn) and the smallest adjustments i'm capable of making with it make a significant difference to the espresso that comes out.

You can make very good espresso with a great grinder and a cheap machine. You cant make even acceptable espresso with a great machine and a bad grinder. Get the idea?
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Posted Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:02pm
Subject: Re: Horrible coffee out of cheap espresso machine (lol)!!! Help!
 

The cheapest grinder capable of espresso is really the Baratza Preciso ($240 USD if you don't mind refurbished, they are in no way subpar due to Baratza's customer service).  Navigate to Baratza's online store and you should find them but they often are sold out.  

Other than that you are really stuck with using a Hario Skerton hand grinder or something similar.  

Unfortunately, there is just no way to make good espresso without a good grinder :-(

Best of luck!
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