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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 5:52am
Subject: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

Did a little Google search... didn't find this question answered.

I already know I want to freeze the coffee. I have some beans that were roasted the 19th (I am writing this on the 22nd). When should I freeze them?  I was thinking one week post roast would be about right, but thought I would ask others if they have an opinion about the correct amount of time to wait to freeze them.
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 6:18am
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I freeze immediately, shipment comes in, I break down. I put X amount in zip bags squeezed and sealed to get air out, and then stick inside Ball Canning Jars. I take one jar out as needed and defrost overnight in cupboard, and after scooping out beans, squeeze and reseal the zip bag and stick back in the jar. Works for me. Plenty on here who freeze said they do the same (freeze right when shipment comes)
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 6:24am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

EDIT:
Chris ya got there first! AND like most times, you were able to say the same thing in less words ;D
End edit.

Well,like a lot of things, I doubt there is a correct answer. Many like to freeze ASAP so that the degassing might continue after thawing and some say to wait until the outgassing has stopped then others wait for a week. YMMV!

I TRY to freeze ASAP, well, I don't always get to it right away if I am perfectly honest, I have even been as late as two weeks after roast :O

For me, I have found that the sooner is the better and I pay the price for "not getting around to it" in lower quality brews.

I am sure you have read a bit on the topic, seal in air tight containers, remove as much air as possible then thaw to room temp before opening the bag/bottle/jar/ whatever, to prevent condensation from forming on the cold beans.

To, again, confess to "less than perfect" practice on my part, I have forgotten to remove beans from the freezer the night before and was out of coffee in the morning. I usually freeze in about 1 pound size lots in a zip top bag. It is not the best thing to do to the beans but I will throw the sealed bag into my microwave for 1 minute on high. As there is little moisture in the beans to react to the microwaves, the result is not as dreadful as it may seem. In MY microwave, this results in the beans being perhaps 50f. I then massage the bag to mix the beans and to get some heat from my hands into them. When they get to close to room temp I use them. I try to avoid this but heck I make mistakes like everyone too!

I have not found that this treatment has a large affect on the coffee, perhaps it "adds" a day or two to the "age" but I am still fairly happy with the result

There are lots of freezing threads here and opinions are all over the map. Try it for yourself and see what works for you, that is all that counts.

OH, btw, your email address is not in your profile, please contact me, I would like to talk to you about something.

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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 6:46am
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I actually just opened a jar this morning, froze 4 weeks ago, POP. Ahhh love that satisfying pop sound lol. Usually doesn't happen until after a week or so, b/c I'll go through like 2-3 jars in that time. but after that point on, POP, as the gasses build up, and literally pop the lid off when unscrewing lol. There were people on here complaining that freezing doesn't work, think some had older freezer units, but people were also freezing beans like 2 weeks out and wondering why it didn't work.....
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 7:22am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

CMIN Said:

There were people on here complaining that freezing doesn't work, think some had older freezer units, but people were also freezing beans like 2 weeks out and wondering why it didn't work.....

Posted August 22, 2013 link

True this!
The older before freezing and the warmer the freezer, the less effective the results will be, don't ask how I know... Well look at my post above if you must know how I know!

 
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 8:03am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

I "process" my fresh beans slightly different than above.

As soon as possible after a shipment arrives, I break it down into freezer safe Ball canning jars (no ziploc).  I get as much in as possible, shake them down, then refill the new dead space as much as possible.  Then I put the lids on very loosely for about 12 hours.  My hypothesis is that the loosely fitting lids will allow CO2 to escape as the beans age, thereby driving out residual oxygen (no science here at all, except in theory).  After the "rest", I crank down the lids and put them in the coldest part of my freezer.  

I defrost same as above - overnight at room temperature, still sealed.  When ready, I break the seal and dump the jar into my hopper (for espresso).  For press, my jars (even the smallest ones) hold at least two doses, so once opened the beans stay in the jar and it gets re-closed tightly until needed again.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 8:21am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

I have started playing with woodworking and there is a product for use in preserving finishing material. It is called Bloxegen and basically it is argon in a can. An inert gas

It is sold like I said for finishes but it may be useful for coffee too, it SHOULD be ok...?

Click Here (www.youtube.com)

OH, btw, in the video he offers a free bottle to anyone who comes up with a new use for his product. I have already sent an email asking about it being food safe so sorry guys, it has already been asked for coffee. It may have been before IDK but I know for sure it has been now.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 8:41am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

currently blocked from the link by "websense" at work...but that sounds similar to the aerosol wine preservers.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 22, 2013, 9:47am
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

Here is the reply from the MFG.
Wayne,

Bloxygen is food safe.  We use only ultra pure Argon.  Argon is so widely used in the food industry that it is not regulated.

Other have also used Bloxygen for coffee.  You'll be very pleased.

Steven

 
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Posted Fri Aug 23, 2013, 7:18pm
Subject: Re: Ideal number of days to wait to freeze roasted beans?
 

Well, I bought a dozen 8 oz jars thinking that would be plenty for 3 lbs.... oops. 8oz didn't go as far as I thought it was going to.
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