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Posted Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:22am
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The space between the coffee and the ridge should be equal distance. if it is not then your tamp I'd crooked.
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Posted Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:36am
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That is true . . . so I went with 18g & 20g ridgeless baskets and they are awesome!  They look amazing, beautifully made, and I did notice improved taste and a better shot!  I thought they might come out when knocking out the pucks, but nope!  IMO, they are worth the extra money! ($29/each)  For the Canucks here, I got mine through 49th Parallel Roasters in Burnaby, B.C.  I also got their 58.4mm rosewood tamper as well ($52) . . . beautiful!!





qualin Said:

So, ridged or ridgeless?

My thought is that the ridged ones just make it more difficult to remove the basket from the portafilter.

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Posted Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:13pm
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Trying to grind a 19 gram dose into a conventional sloped-wall double basket is kind of difficult to do, only because it's grind, level, grind, level, etc.
I suspect that the double basket which came with the Duetto is only a 18 gram basket. (Someone correct me on this?)

After switching over to the 20 gram VST, the first thing I noticed right away was how fast my shots were running, even with a 19.5 gram dose.

So, I'd say that the first thing anyone should do is consider tightening up the grind and re-dial in their grinder with these baskets.

I agree that these baskets don't knock out any cleaner than the ones that came with my Duetto, but they sure have retained their shine in the
last week I've been using them.

One thing I've noticed is that my shots taste a little more silky than they used to. Maybe it's a mental thing...

 
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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 9:47am
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if I'm dosing out 18.5g for 2 oz, am i better off going with the 20g VST basket?

Thanks!
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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 9:03pm
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888RP Said:

if I'm dosing out 18.5g for 2 oz, am i better off going with the 20g VST basket?

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Good question.. I'm dosing around 18.5-19.5 on a 20 gram basket and I find that there is lots of headroom after tamping.
I certainly did have to change my grind to compensate for the flat bottom and the greater surface area.

I just got my 18 gram basket in the mail today.. I'm kind of curious to know how much an 18g basket will really hold and
how it changes the shot if I use the exact same dose.

 
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Posted Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:12am
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I've done up to 20g in my 18g basket no problem.
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 8:58am
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888RP Said:

if I'm dosing out 18.5g for 2 oz, am i better off going with the 20g VST basket?

Thanks!

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That is a good question.

Here is my opinion. I have the 18g VST. For mediumish roasts like Tonx or BlackCat, I can get 20G in there easily without having to do a pretamp to fit it in. However, I just got some RedBird (full city+ roast) espresso and it was filling up at 18gs. I use a Vario, which has fluffier grinds than others i've seen.

Of course, You should get both. I hear VST sometimes throws gifts in there if you buy multiples. ;) But don't quote me on it.
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 9:26am
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brianl Said:

That is a good question.

Here is my opinion. I have the 18g VST. For mediumish roasts like Tonx or BlackCat, I can get 20G in there easily without having to do a pretamp to fit it in. However, I just got some RedBird (full city+ roast) espresso and it was filling up at 18gs. I use a Vario, which has fluffier grinds than others i've seen.

Of course, You should get both. I hear VST sometimes throws gifts in there if you buy multiples. ;) But don't quote me on it.

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Thanks for replying... to be honest I'm even more confused now. I have a Vario as well.. what confuses me is this: does one generally have a set of 16g, 18g, 20g baskets? How do you know which one to use and how much to dose?! I'm currently using black cat and dosing out 18.5 grams directly into my PF. I generally use the flat edge of a card to even out the grinds over the PF and then discard of any remaining grinds. I assume the end dose is probably 17.5-18 grams. Are you not restricted by the depth of your basket with regards to the dose?

When do you use a 16g basket or a 20 g basket (assuming you're always pulling 2oz shots?

Thanks!
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:21am
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888RP Said:

does one generally have a set of 16g, 18g, 20g baskets?

Posted April 25, 2013 link

Yes. In my case, I have a 15g and 18g.

How do you know which one to use and how much to dose?!

Experimentation. When I get a new coffee, I start with the basket's rated dose, and then vary from there based on taste. I have always found the 15g basket to taste best with 14.5-15g of coffee, but your results will vary based on your grinder and machine. There is some indication, for example, that the Mazzer grinders may taste better with overdosing, but my Macap MXK will taste better with a smaller dose. The headroom will also vary by machine and portafilter geometries.

Are you not restricted by the depth of your basket with regards to the dose?

No. When I dose into my 15g basket, the grounds heap up above the lip of the basket, but I simply tamp straight down.

When do you use a 16g basket or a 20 g basket (assuming you're always pulling 2oz shots?

In my case, I use an 18g basket when the coffee tastes better in it. I find that some blends taste better in the 18g basket, but many of the SO coffees I brew taste better with the 15g basket.

 
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 7:40pm
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Not to mention 17g in my 15g basket tastes different than 17g in my 18g basket. Coffee is an interesting mistress
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