emradguy Senior Member Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 1,795 Location: Houston Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto II Grinder: MacapM4T, Macap M4, OE Lido,... Drip: Espro press; Aeropress Roaster: internet
Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 2:41pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
I haven;t used the Crossland, but from all I've read from others here who have, if it's in your budget, it's definitely worth looking into. The PID basically helps maintain a more stable temperature throughout your machine, by controlling temperature more precisely. There's a great wikipedia on them, and it's actually worth reading.
Do you need one? By all means, no. However, if you don't have one, you'll be kind of guessing when your machine is ready to steam or when it's ready to extract. Sure, you'll learn to ballpark it through experience, and you may get really good at that, but the PID is the way to go. Now, this only applies to SBDU and DB machines. HX machines are not improved at all by PID, because of the way they are structured.
D4F Senior Member Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 1,223 Location: USA Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID Grinder: Preciso
Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 6:37pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
You will most likely want a PID on any of the SBDU machines. You can add a PID for the Auber Kit price as a frame of reference, or add a PID for to a machine for about $85 for supplies DIY. I warm up my machine for 20 - 30 minutes, minimum. My PID looks fairly stable in about 5 minutes. That is the nature of PID. It is stabilizing a temperature of its sensor, not the whole machine. You will want to look up some articles such as Wiki as noted, to get a basic understanding.
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,371 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: Vario W
Posted Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:57pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
If you will probably want to add a PID I would strongly suggest pay extra and get it on the machine already or get another type of machine. If you have the budget why get something you will want to mod right away if you can get another machine already with it. Also, we have a buy/sell/trade board here and you could find a used machine already modded there.
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kanadashane Senior Member Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 6 Location: Vancouver Expertise: Just starting
Posted Wed Oct 24, 2012, 8:43pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
Thank you all for your suggestions.
@emradguy, that makes sense, and from what I have seen on youtube about the Crossland CC1 it seems like the PID just makes it so much easier.
@Coffeenoobie, that also makes sense, seeing as how I am a newbie probably should look at getting one built in. @D4F, I know what you are saying, but I am the type of guy who would mess the unit up by trying to do it myself, not because I couldn't do it, but because I am so impatient I would probably break something out of frustration! Its like my car, I am fascinated with it, but wouldn't dare touch the mechanics of it! :)
kanadashane Senior Member Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 6 Location: Vancouver Expertise: Just starting
Posted Wed Oct 24, 2012, 8:46pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
So I think I am going with the Crossland CC1. Unfortunately it seems so new that I really can't find anyone out there who has one and can give a solid review. There are some videos on youtube that really go through it with a fine tooth comb, and it looks awesome. But with what everyone is telling me about PID, it seems like a lot of value for the price
I have to mention I emailed Crossland Coffee to ask where I can find one in Canada. Bill Crossland replied personally to my email, within an hour of me sending it, and gave me a couple of companies I could find one in Canada, and even offered to call one on my behalf to see if they had one. Now that is service. Nice work Mr. Crossland, and if your machine is anything like your customer service, I can't go wrong.
I will post a review for everyone after Christmas, seeing as how I am a newbie espresso maker it will be good for all to see an unbiased opinion. Will also be good for all other newbies out there who are going through the same thing I am right now!
Posted Wed Oct 24, 2012, 9:06pm Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
kanadashane Said:
I have to mention I emailed Crossland Coffee to ask where I can find one in Canada. Bill Crossland replied personally to my email, within an hour of me sending it, and gave me a couple of companies I could find one in Canada, and even offered to call one on my behalf to see if they had one. Now that is service. Nice work Mr. Crossland, and if your machine is anything like your customer service, I can't go wrong.
CMIN Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2012 Posts: 561 Location: South FL Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Crossland CC1 Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Thu Oct 25, 2012, 8:15am Subject: Re: Rancilio silvia v3 vs. Breville Infuser BES840XL
I don't feel like typing out a review right now, posted other stuff before, others have as well... but the CC1 def kicks ass. Mine was bought at idrinkcoffee originally and then I bought it from him in Canada. And Bill has great service if you have any questions. I know on HB some said some places didn't carry them b/c of some faulty shipment initially or problem machines, no idea what their talking about as I spoke to other retailers like SG and they've said the machines have been very reliable and solid, few glitches here and there but that's it, the way I look at it in the past year there have been some more costly $$$ machines from big name companies in this niche that have had plenty of problems so you never know, but I've talked to other CC1 owners and they love it as well.
Would I still upgrade, sure and plan on doing so for pry a larger double boiler beast and pry move it to my office. But got a crazy good deal on this machine and within it's competition it's an excellent machine with nifty features included.
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