Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:10am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
i personally would want my extraction slower, at least for the beans that i use. You may need to grind coarser. Might be able to use the same setting. I guess you'd have to figure that out.
btw check this out if you havent seen it. I think it's a GREAT resource for taste and adjusting the grind. Click Here (www.home-barista.com)
jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 704 Location: Michigan Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 4:39am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
Sorry i lost contact with the thread but my earlier post i mentioned for 12grams of ground coffee cut your shot at about 24 grams of yield. Getting away from the single basket is just the best idea for now then read his thread Click Here (www.home-barista.com) when you can and bookmark it. Here is another one to bookmark Click Here (www.home-barista.com) I only watched the first several seconds of the video and stopped it get some fresh beans or your going to spend time chasing your tail. There are so many factors to consider but sour makes me think low brew temp if that is indeed what your tasting.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
CMIN Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2012 Posts: 514 Location: South FL Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 6:22am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
jttran28 Said:
so what I do is i mound the basket with coffee and I level with my finger without putting any pressure while leveling it. If I do put pressure, then it gets too close to the group head. There has to be something wrong. Why can't I fit more than 12g? Im fairly certain this is the double basket I received.
Here is a video. Please pardon the poor production.:
Those shots came out fast, those beans your using are just not good, Peets has never been known for good coffee. Your grinding fine and getting gushers = stale. I use pre-infusion on the CC1 at 2 seconds and 4 second dwell, but even without preinfusion there's a good 4-5 seconds before drips start (except when I've had to grab stale Starbucks as an emergency if an order hadn't come in yet). But also still not sure how your confusing the baskets. You should have the blind basket for back flushing, then the "deeper" double basket, and the more "shallow" single basket... not sure how your confusing the 3 lol? Hard to tell from the video which basket it was. There's just no way your only getting 12G into the double, that wouldn't even tamp right most likely as the CC1 baskets slightly taper towards the bottom. I just ground 17.5G no problem into the double.
You need to use the double basket, at least 14g, I prefer 16-18, and fresh beans... you can get everything else right but without fresh roasted beans your going to keep getting gushers.
jttran28 Senior Member Joined: 30 Jul 2012 Posts: 36 Location: San Jose, CA Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 7:57am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
Here is a picture of three baskets, the blind, single and double. That is the double I've been using where I can only fit 12g before I have to force more coffee into it.
Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 8:09am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
Those are 58mm baskets and the double looks to hold enough that I would say it is definitely time for a new scale. For now, just grind, fill and level off without compressing the coffee, then tamp.
jttran28 Senior Member Joined: 30 Jul 2012 Posts: 36 Location: San Jose, CA Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 8:31am Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
frcn Said:
Those are 58mm baskets and the double looks to hold enough that I would say it is definitely time for a new scale. For now, just grind, fill and level off without compressing the coffee, then tamp.
jttran28 Senior Member Joined: 30 Jul 2012 Posts: 36 Location: San Jose, CA Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Crossland CC1 Grinder: Compak k3
Posted Thu Oct 18, 2012, 3:19pm Subject: Re: espresso coming out SOUR!
frank828 Said:
try giving the portafilter a few little taps on the counter to settle the grinds. This will give you more room in the basket. For now, i will dose about 1/3 and then give it a few taps to somewhat level out, the other 1/3, tap again, the rest, and tap again. I'll then nutate to even things out and then tamp. I have no problem fitting 18+ grams into a standard double basket. After the shot, if you see an indent of the the screen screw, dont sweat it as long as it tastes good.
i'd suggest getting more coffee into the basket and trying to use the same parameters. Keep in mind, you're probably gonna need to adjust your grind with more coffee in the basket.
btw, i personally prefer the taste of a ristretto. my shots run much longer and output far less.
That was the trick. With tapping, I was able to get about 15.5g. Thats plenty more than what I had before. Now I'm going to be getting coffee from a local shop tonight so wish me luck.
Finally made it to a local roaster, keystone. I now have coffee that is 1 day old. Pulled the shot with about 16g and boy does it taste good. I also cleaned out my grinder and brew head. All is well now and I can finally enjoy y espressos again. Thanks for all the pointers!
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