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Poopbot2000
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Posted Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:07am
Subject: Under-extracted breville 800 esxl shots - please help!
 

I recently bought a breville 800 esxl and was excited to begin having quality espresso at home.

Unfortunately, my shots are always very under extracted (15 seconds) and towards the end it just looks like brown water.

I ordered the single wall non pressurized filters from breville and am using the double shot basket. I have a cuisinart burr grinder on its finest setting and I am tamping with a good amount of pressure. I preheat everything, run through water and use fresh coffee. I fill near to the top with about 1/8th in of space from the top as recommended.

Are there any other variables I could change that could make such a significant difference?

Should I just return the machine and or grinder?  If so, what is a better machine for the same price range ( got this for 280 from bed bath and beyond).

Thank you for the help, any recommendations are appreciated.

Regards,

Ted
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CMIN
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Posted Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:46am
Subject: Re: Under-extracted breville 800 esxl shots - please help!
 

Cuisinart Grinder is your problem right there since your using the non-pressurized baskets. It just can't grind near fine enough or consistent enough. Your going to need to step it up to the Baratza Preciso (which you can find on refurb at Baratza site, they generally list items on Thursdays), about $240 + shipping. Otherwise at the minimum, Breville Smart Grinder is good, just not near the Preciso for adjustability. Or you can look at a number of hand grinders up to that price range. The pressurized baskets help negate having a grinder not capable of espresso grinds, but not the same taste and mouthfeel as real espresso (they make fake crema for one). Your machine itself isn't anything special, but with a good grinder you can still pull good tasting coffee with it. Do that 1st (upgrade grinder) and see how you like it, and then you can decide whether you want to upgrade machines, or even down the road if you do you'll have a grinder already capable for espresso.

You didn't say what beans you were using either, but stale store bought beans will generally always gush. You need beans that were fresh roasted to order and shipped to you (unless you have a roaster near you to pick up from, or possibly a nice coffee shop that constantly get's fresh orders in from roasters that will sell to you... just google your area and you should find some nice shops that will do so).
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 7:18am
Subject: Re: Under-extracted breville 800 esxl shots - please help!
 

+1 CMIN

The grinder is everything.  I personally use a commercial grinder monster for my small entry Delonghi.  Cheap burr grinders aren't built for very fine grind because the average drinker doesn't take the time to do all the little things for a true cup of espresso.  Mods for these grinders do exist.  If this is your grinder then this may help you.  Easily reversible if not. :)

Click Here :)
FYI I don't own this grinder. I just happened to stumble across the article.
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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 6:11pm
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Thank you both for the feedback. I just got the breville auto dose grinder from Macy's (on sale for 180, more than the rigged cuisinart but I just was too impatient). I'm happy to say that was precisely the problem. Now I can finally start trying to refine everything else and start developing my palette.

Thank you again, very much appreciated!
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CMIN
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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Under-extracted breville 800 esxl shots - please help!
 

Poopbot2000 Said:

Thank you both for the feedback. I just got the breville auto dose grinder from Macy's (on sale for 180, more than the rigged cuisinart but I just was too impatient). I'm happy to say that was precisely the problem. Now I can finally start trying to refine everything else and start developing my palette.

Thank you again, very much appreciated!

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Good grinder for money, plus it looks cool and is very easy to use. May not have all the adjustment of the Preciso, but you can still have an espresso range to play with. Easy to shim too if you wanted a bit more espresso room. Either way, much much much better than teh Cuisinart grinders.
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