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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 6:47pm
Subject: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

Be cool to have a thread about this as it was brought up in another post and reminded me. So how do you time your shots/what do you prefer? You see people who time from the second the pump is turned on, and others who time from 1st drip. The latter is what I prefer, for some reason when I time from when pump is turned on (tried with and without preinfusion) shots just pour too fast for my liking in 25 seconds and taste sorta under extracted. Whereas all the flavors for me come out when timed from 1st drip which obviously is a finer grind (ending up with a 25-30 second extraction after 1st drip). Guess it's a little trickier when using preinfusion as well, i.e. I have my machine set at 2 second preinfuse and 3-4 seconds dwell, so 1st drip usually doesn't start untill around 8-10 seconds and when I stop the pull the machine timer is usually in the 35-40 second area.
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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

When to start timing is a matter of debate. IMHO extraction time starts when you turn on the pump, because that's when the puck of ground coffee first gets into contact with hot water, so that extraction begins. The flow should then start about 5 to 7 seconds later and is stopped at around 25 seconds. At least that's how 2008 champion barista Thomas Liebe, member of the Swiss section of the SCAE, explained in a TV interview, too. YMMV

PS: Unfortunately the video is available only in (Swiss) German.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 16, 2012, 9:20am
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

Multiple discussions all linked here:  When do you start timing the shot?

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 8:54am
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

Not to be rude, but who cares? Just:
- Develop a consistent and repeatable routine
- Watch the espresso stream
- Stop when or just before the flow lacks viscosity and turns watery
- Taste the espresso
- Adjust accordingly as required to match your personal taste.
- Use the clock to make sure you aren't late for work   ;-)

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:53am
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

frcn Said:

Not to be rude, but who cares? Just:
- Develop a consistent and repeatable routine
- Watch the espresso stream
- Stop when or just before the flow lacks viscosity and turns watery
- Taste the espresso
- Adjust accordingly as required to match your personal taste.
- Use the clock to make sure you aren't late for work   ;-)

Posted October 17, 2012 link

Amen, Randy, amen!

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

frcn Said:

Not to be rude, but who cares? Just:
- Develop a consistent and repeatable routine
- Watch the espresso stream
- Stop when or just before the flow lacks viscosity and turns watery
- Taste the espresso
- Adjust accordingly as required to match your personal taste.
- Use the clock to make sure you aren't late for work   ;-)

Posted October 17, 2012 link

Well said! BRAVO!!

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 2:33pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

haha no I know, just thought it'd be a cool discussion. Every shot I've had when timing it from start of pump has always tasted a bit watery/underextracted in the 25-30 second range, even a friend did that and thought it was great, but it tasted just like on my machine, sorta under-extracted on his Vibiemme however he liked it and thought it was good. But another friend (BDB) and I had him try shots timed from 1st drip and he was surprised at the difference especially flavor wise, more rich, chocolately etc... so since then he's adjusted his grind to time 25-30 second shots from drip. Just thought it'd be interesting to see what people on here preferred.

Looks like those links on HB are the same, like split 50/50 lol
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 2:38pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

I am a drip, no wait ;0)

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 2:59pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

Interesting note on the Redbird site, that both Redbird Espresso and Blue Jaguar are suggested 25 - 30 second shot from the first drip.  Of course YMMV, especially on other coffees.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 4:27pm
Subject: Re: Timing of extraction, from time pump is turned on, or timed from 1st drip???
 

CMIN Said:

haha no I know, just thought it'd be a cool discussion. Every shot I've had when timing it from start of pump has always tasted a bit watery/underextracted in the 25-30 second range, even a friend did that and thought it was great, but it tasted just like on my machine, sorta under-extracted on his Vibiemme however he liked it and thought it was good. But another friend (BDB) and I had him try shots timed from 1st drip and he was surprised at the difference especially flavor wise, more rich, chocolately etc... so since then he's adjusted his grind to time 25-30 second shots from drip. Just thought it'd be interesting to see what people on here preferred.

Looks like those links on HB are the same, like split 50/50 lol

Posted October 17, 2012 link

I like my shots to be around 35 sec from the start of the pump or 25 sec from the first drip or 30 sec from 5sec after the pump starts. Now if you change the grind, dose, volume, time  in any combination you can change the flavor of the shot.
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