Posted Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:41am Subject: Re: How to roast barley for espresso
You know, the funny thing is that in my beer making days we would have called the "barley espresso" something like this: "Concentrated Wort". Spread it around, talk it up.
"Hey Mr./Ms. Barista, gimme a double Wort".
Let's put the beer making industry in a tizzy.
Len
P.S. To all the beer making enthusiasts out there, I know I am taking a leap in calling it "wort", as it wouldn't fit into a true definition of such due to the lack of hops in the process, and lack of the mashing process, but for propaganda purposes it could fly.
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jezekilj Senior Member Joined: 1 Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:01pm Subject: Re: How to roast barley for espresso
I found the how to. In case anyone is interesting ther eis instruction on who to make barley drink using espresso machine . It is related to tamping and grind sizes:
and you just proved my point. all of those listed above contain the word wine. good work!
JasonBrandtLewis Said:
That said, the last time I looked this was not correct-use-of-english-vocabulary-and-grammar.com, but rather coffeegeek.com, so perhaps we can stick with more germane topics . . . .
and last time i looked it said "senior member" under your name not "moderator."
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Posted Fri Dec 16, 2011, 8:13pm Subject: Re: How to roast barley for espresso
jezekilj Said:
I found the how to. In case anyone is interesting ther eis instruction on who to make barley drink using espresso machine . It is related to tamping and grind sizes:
jezekilj Senior Member Joined: 1 Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:44pm Subject: Re: How to roast barley for espresso
JasonBrandtLewis Said:
But the point is that it is not "still called wine." It is called "fruit wine" or -- for example -- "cherry wine," or "plum wine," or "barley wine." NO ONE that I can think of has ever sold, marketed, or even referred to (e.g.) a plum wine by saying "this wine will pair great with your dinner." They'll say, "Have you thought about serving a plum wine?" or "The barley wine made by Anchor Brewing is called 'Old Foghorn'." (No one says "The wine that Anchor makes is called . . . ")
The term -- without the modified -- refers to something altogether different. The modifier is the key!
That said, the last time I looked this was not correct-use-of-english-vocabulary-and-grammar.com, but rather coffeegeek.com, so perhaps we can stick with more germane topics . . . .
I would not agree on this. Simply as someone said about the beer.
People are making beer from different cereals but still call it a beer. People are making copies on canon machine but someone would still call it a xerox and it is wrong, simply wrong.
If we go to the root, espresso does not mean ex-pressed nor it means pressed. It is more related to expressions (The process of making known one's thoughts or feelings) In italian it means fast or quickly made and that it is "expressing" itself but when you drink it. And that is the origin. Today they don't even call it like that they call it cafe. And in old days thay call it "caffe espresso" not just "espresso". I believe this is the name used now in states. And I believe mistake is if you are looking to an english definition in english dictionary. If we look to an italian dictionary then it is different.
The problem of the www.dictionary.com search results from previous poster is because he looked at the term espresso and he looked at english language based site. That is not the name . The name in Italy defined by italians is ( caffè ) espresso not just espresso . This would mean quickly made coffee in away that it( coffee) express it self with a note after being made ( not that it is pressed during preparation) . And people took just last word and now it is common to say just espresso. The same like with xerox.
I believe espresso is reserved for cofea and all other shall have prefix like barley-espresso ; corn-espresso.
And I clearly said in the first post I wana use barley ... how to make espresso out of it. I did not said I would use barley ...how to make coffee-espresso out of it. So Of course I was referring to barley-espresso but in a way that is made on espresso machine and it will expressit self in a best way when I drink it.
There is a lot to investigate in therms of methods on how to brew them,grind them, tamp them etc...
Even between different types of coffees and roasts you can have different methods of grinding an tamping in order to extratc the best.
My goal was to learn how to extract the best of roasted barley.
And no one is saying you have to. As far as I know, not even the legendary "jack-booted thugs" of the ATF will break down your front door and haul you off to Guantanamo Bay for not agreeing.
OTOH, I'm just citing Federal regulations, as well as those from other countries. Those regulations ban the term "wine" on anything not produced from grapes unless modified by and with another term, forming -- what in English -- is known as a "compound noun." The examples I've previously provided are just that.
A compound noun is a noun that is made up of two or more words. Most compound nouns in English are formed by nouns modified by other nouns or adjectives.
For example: -- The words tooth and paste are each nouns in their own right, but if you join them together they form a new word - toothpaste. -- The word black is an adjective and board is a noun, but if you join them together they form a new word - blackboard.
In both these example the first word modifies or describes the second word, telling us what kind of object or person it is, or what its purpose is. And the second part identifies the object or person in question.
The two parts may be written in a number of ways:
1) Sometimes the two words are joined together. Example: tooth + paste = toothpaste | bed + room = bedroom
2) Sometimes they are joined using a hyphen. Example: check-in
3) Sometimes they appear as two separate words. Example: full moon
Terms such as "barley wine," "fruit wine", and "plum wine" are compound nouns; when the terms are used separately, their meaning is completely different.
Bitches_Brew Senior Member Joined: 4 Feb 2009 Posts: 764 Location: indiana Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: yes Grinder: yes Vac Pot: no Drip: no Roaster: yes
Posted Sat Dec 17, 2011, 7:49am Subject: Re: How to roast barley for espresso
JasonBrandtLewis Said:
Refer to this: and paste are each nouns in their own right, but if you join them together they form a new word - toothpaste. -- The word black is an adjective and board is a noun, but if you join them together they form a new word - blackboard.
In both these example the first word modifies or describes the second word, telling us what kind of object or person it is, or what its purpose is. And the second part identifies the object or person in question.
The two parts may be written in a number of ways:
1) Sometimes the two words are joined together. Example: tooth + paste = toothpaste | bed + room = bedroom
2) Sometimes they are joined using a hyphen. Example: check-in
3) Sometimes they appear as two separate words. Example: full moon
That said, the last time I looked this was not correct-use-of-english-vocabulary-and-grammar.com, but rather coffeegeek.com, so perhaps we can stick with more germane topics . . . .
"You can write down how to make the perfect cup of coffee. But to make it really good, you have to play something fictional, you have to dress up, you have to think, This is the most important thing."
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