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Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007, 2:17am
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How about using this gadget - mini-whisk

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Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007, 7:58am
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RapidCoffee Said:

Yeah, I was afraid you'd say that! Not sure whether to admire your ingenuity or.. well, yuck.

Posted March 24, 2007 link

I did find a yogurt container small enough (thanks Danone!).

I have tell you, this couldn't be any easier/cleaner.  I hold the container with filter beneath, up to the Rocky DL, hit the switch and grind it all into the filter (no mess).  I tap on the counter, stir, couple of more taps, level, tamp light then hard...best espresso I've ever had on this machine.

I was arguing with my wife that because I can't find a small enough container, I should just upgrade the machine, but that didn't work ;-)
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Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007, 11:32am
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I've been getting clumping (I'm still new to this) and I tried using the end of a fork.  I don't jam the prongs in there, but rather, graze over the top layer (1cm depth) of the grounds in the PF and try to break up any large clumps that are visible.  I then take the PF, then give it a slight wack on the counter top and it settles pretty evenly (amazingly).  Then tamp, tap & polish.  :)

I see no signs of channeling or puck cracking at all after I pull my shot.
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Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007, 2:52pm
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I found this stainless cocktail whisk at william sonoma for $2.50 and it works great

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Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007, 6:33pm
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I just got done pulling a wonderful shot with my $50 LaPavoni burr grinder and my Starbucks Buon Caffe machine.  (my Gaggia/Mazzer are at work)  and I think it is all due to the Weiss distribution technique.

I find that the LaPavoni does not grind all that consitently (no duh!!) but after I grind I mix up the grounds in the plastic container that it grinds into with a spoon.  Then after that I use my yogurt cup to dose the coffee into the PF.  Then I do the WDT with a paper clip.  Bottomless PF shows even extraction with minimal to nonexistent channelling.  The shot tastes similar to shots pulled using my Mazzer/Gaggia combo.  Unbelievable!!

I have seen Buon Caffe machines on ebay for less than $50.  This means that for under $100 one can obtain a setup that can pull real espresso shots.  Maybe I have just been lucky for a few shots but I found this to be amazing.

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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007, 7:15pm
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neiljersey Said:

I just got done pulling a wonderful shot with my $50 LaPavoni burr grinder and my Starbucks Buon Caffe machine.  (my Gaggia/Mazzer are at work)  and I think it is all due to the Weiss distribution technique.
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I have seen Buon Caffe machines on ebay for less than $50.  This means that for under $100 one can obtain a setup that can pull real espresso shots.  Maybe I have just been lucky for a few shots but I found this to be amazing.

Posted April 13, 2007 link

Hi Neil, and thanks for the kind words. I'm always delighted to hear that the WDT is helping folks pull great shots.

However, I'm going to respectfully disagree about real espresso for under $100. The WDT can help with dose, distribution and clumping issues, but it can't do anything about the grind. You really do need a good grinder, and that alone will cost over $100 (more realistically, over $200). The $50 LaPavoni PA-BURR model cannot be recommended for espresso, even when tweaked for a finer grind. Check out the classic Domestic Espresso Grinder Analysis article by Alan Frew, and see what he has to say about it.

My recommendation: bring the Mazzer back home! ;-)
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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007, 10:07pm
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I really like the WDT method (thanks John for the needles)!

I use a simplified version without a funnel at all.  Most times I use the needle to simply level and redistribute the grounds evenly in the basket.  I don't follow the pattern through the puck that the article outlines.  If I can needle a bit and tap the basket on the counter (on it's bottom) to settle the rounds and it ends up level, I tamp.  Works every time.  Sometimes I needle a lot, sometimes hardly at all.  At times I don't even penetrate the whole puck depth.  Iíve found that by feeling how the tamper presses on the coffee I can get a good feel for how evenly itís distributed.  Sometimes Iím a little off (if Iím in a hurry) but most often Iím dead on and the espresso is amazing.

I've found that a WDT approach offers great leniency for me.  I agree with others who like taking the time to craft (or fuss over) each and every shot.  I don't race I savor the process.  I find that preparation approach like tastes are highly subjective and Iím grateful that we can come together and exchange in a free and respectful manner our experiences, thus furthering us all.  Iíve ďclimbed upĒ by copying a lot of you guys.  Thanks for sharing.  Every shot I take makes me love being here and having such good friends to share this with.

Here's to better espresso for all!  (that is after all why we are all here) :)

 
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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007, 10:20pm
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TimEggers Said:

I really like the WDT method (thanks John for the needles)!

I use a simplified version without a funnel at all.  Most times I use the needle to simply level and redistribute the grounds evenly in the basket.  I don't follow the pattern through the puck that the article outlines.  If I can needle a bit and tap the basket on the counter (on it's bottom) to settle the rounds and it ends up level, I tamp.  Works every time.  Sometimes I needle a lot, sometimes hardly at all.  At times I don't even penetrate the whole puck depth.  Iíve found that by feeling how the tamper presses on the coffee I can get a good feel for how evenly itís distributed.  Sometimes Iím a little off (if Iím in a hurry) but most often Iím dead on and the espresso is amazing.

I've found that a WDT approach offers great leniency for me.  I agree with others who like taking the time to craft (or fuss over) each and every shot.  I don't race I savor the process.  I find that preparation approach like tastes are highly subjective and Iím grateful that we can come together and exchange in a free and respectful manner our experiences, thus furthering us all.  Iíve ďclimbed upĒ by copying a lot of you guys.  Thanks for sharing.  Every shot I take makes me love being here and having such good friends to share this with.

Here's to better espresso for all!  (that is after all why we are all here) :)

Posted April 14, 2007 link

Tim, you "espress" my sentiments exactly as to the wonderful community that is CG.
I also incorporate the WTD, mostly when pulling triples, which I actually do less and less...just a preference these days. I do use the yoghurt cup, even though my Mazzer SJ doser (modded) does a pretty fair job of breaking up the clumps.
One thing I haven't tried using the WDT...pulling a single...which, heretofore, has been an utter failure  on my part to accomplish successfully.
As the grind and distrobution is MOST critical for a single, i don't know why i haven't tried the WDT before. Why a single, anyway?....just BECAUSE...LOL.



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Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007, 10:43pm
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I am using a flour sifter (a poor man version of a doser), which I've bought at  a dollar store for $3.5 canadians and it does the job of braking clumps better than just by stirring in the cup with the needle.

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Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007, 3:03am
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BuzzedLightyear Said:

I found this stainless cocktail whisk at william sonoma for $2.50 and it works great

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Posted April 13, 2007 link

I also found the whisk to work efficiently.  With the plastic cup in place you can aggressively whisk away the lumps without worrying about spillage.   My little whisk cost less than a dollar from a kitchenware store.  My pucks come out intact with no obvious channeling.  Of course only a bottomless PF could verify this.
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