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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 1:28pm
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boar_d_laze Said:

And perhaps not.  Perhaps I'm a pessimistic fool.

Right by design, right by luck, or right by their happy combination, I wish you only the best for whatever decision you make.

BDL

Posted February 11, 2014 link

Yet another time I am with you BDL.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 1:48pm
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Interesting, on my first click.
Built in grinder, check
Auto dosing, check
Auto tamping, check
Programmed drinks, check
Overrideable programming, check
Dual boiler, check
PID control, check
Automatic AND manual frothing, check
EXTRA, auto cleanup!
Under $2K
Better for an office, check

HUH, on my first click on a google search I found a more user friendly and equally equipped machine for the same price.

I guess google was not working this morning.
Interesting.
With quality beans will it be as good as a semi auto machine and stand alone grinder? Likely no but it is easier to use and more consistent than everyone in the office will be and it will be better than the coffee shop down the street.
I guess there ARE other options in the $2K range for offices.
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 6:07pm
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You must be kidding trying to compare that Fully Auto you linked to the Oracle. Clearly the OP wanted to get good quality coffee. Are you trying to assert that the Auto you linked will do that? The Oracle automates to a large degree the most difficult elements people find tough to get right, dose & milk texturing. It doesn't compromise on dose, basket shape/size, Brew Water Temp and you get cafe quality microfoam, automatically, not the bubble bath of the auto you linked.

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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 6:27pm
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Honestly, that machine is piece of junk!!!

I owned the Gaggia equivalent of that machine and immediately returned it.

Produced terrible coffee and was not worth the money at all.
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 6:28pm
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Are the burrs in the Oracle from a SG?
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 7:39pm
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Yes the burrs are from a SG, but in the Oracle they are mounted in an adjustable carrier so you can extend the range of the grind adjustment scale to go coarser or finer as required if you run out of physical range. The burrs used in the SG & the Oracle have been improved recently by requiring the manufacturer to conduct a concentricity test.

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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 8:00pm
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mennamorato Said:

Honestly, that machine is piece of junk!!!

I owned the Gaggia equivalent of that machine and immediately returned it.

Produced terrible coffee and was not worth the money at all.

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lol well there you go. Yeah I've never been a fan of Superautos, not even the Monza which is expensive and about the best home one you can get without spending thousands. They can make passable coffee, when I say that I mean cups, they all suck for espresso. Doesn't matter if they say boiler this and that, they just all have poor temp stability, grinding, and tamping and dosing and milk steaming. The Oracle seems to solve this pretty much so far from what people have said, I mean your getting sorta the ease of a superauto with the performance of an semi-auto machine. People can complain about the grinder, but that burr set and the extra adjusting they've instilled in it for grind control is better then superautos, even expensive ones use crappy burrs and forget about grind consistancy. Seems like a good pimp slap against the superauto norm.

I mean my friend had a Jury C9 and it sucked. If it was my office, I'd take the Oracle hands down over the Superautos, long as it was small office and not like a machine that will be used 50-100 times a day lol. Plus Breville customer service is 2nd to none, vs having to deal with a machine on contract with a local coffee company /servicer and forced to buy large amounts of crappy stale beans as part of that contract (only way to go with a superauto in this situation)
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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 8:08am
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mcknightp Said:

You must be kidding trying to compare that Fully Auto you linked to the Oracle. Clearly the OP wanted to get good quality coffee. Are you trying to assert that the Auto you linked will do that? The Oracle automates to a large degree the most difficult elements people find tough to get right, dose & milk texturing. It doesn't compromise on dose, basket shape/size, Brew Water Temp and you get cafe quality microfoam, automatically, not the bubble bath of the auto you linked.

Cheers, Phil

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I'm sure I would be touchy too, if I had to defend a Breville product.
I'm Sorry.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 4:52pm
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Despite working for Breville, I don't think that it is Phil who is being the touchy one here. The Oracle does indeed appear to straddle the semi automatic to super automatic class and, as far as I can see, there is not another machine out there that does the same; certainly not the machine that was Googled above.

The Saeco Exprelia One Touch Superautomatic Espresso Machine creates sea foam out of the milk and then dumps a shot of espresso over top. Nobody would ever mistake it for anything other than a super auto. The Oracle, on the other hand, allows you to pull a traditional shot (after automatically grinding and tamping) that you can then add what looks like very decent, latte art quality, microfoam to the cup. The microfoam is automatically created, but you have control over its parameters and you manually add it to the espresso. If you actually look at the videos of these two machines, it is very obvious that they are not the same, both in classification and ability.

The sarcastic comments above are merely that - sarcastic and not based on fact. They appear to be the touchy comments in this thread to me.
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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:25pm
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Cal's holy war against Breville is starting to get boring.
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