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Posted Sun Jan 26, 2014, 1:06pm
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I just bought my first house and now I finally have the ability to plumb in! Can anyone direct me to a thread or site that gives a beginners explanation of what equipment I need in order to do this? I already have the hose that came with my Technika and the US/BSPP adapter from Chris Coffee. Thanks!
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Posted Sun Jan 26, 2014, 1:51pm
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I have two articles on my website which document plumbing a machine in with JG parts:
 Plumbing in an Espresso Machine - Part 1
  Plumbing in an Espresso Machine - Part 2

 
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Posted Sun Jan 26, 2014, 1:51pm
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http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/water1.html

http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/water2.html
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Posted Sun Jan 26, 2014, 4:19pm
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Hey thanks a lot! I'm looking at the all-in-one kit at Chris Coffee here:

Click Here (www.chriscoffee.com)

How do I figure out which JG size to order, 1/4 or 3/8?
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Posted Sun Jan 26, 2014, 9:00pm
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That's the kit I used, and the one featured in my articles.
3/8" is more resistant to kinking and offers less resistance to water flow. I had a long run so it was a no brainer for me to choose 3/8". if you have limited space ADN a short run from the supply to the machine, 1/4" would be OK.

Something I recently added to my set up was this: I placed a Tee in the feed line behind my coffee service cart and added a length of tubing. On the end of the length of tubing I put a shutoff valve. I use that to fill my Brazen which is on my cart.

 
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 12:08pm
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Markarian Said:

I just bought my first house and now I finally have the ability to plumb in! Can anyone direct me to a thread or site that gives a beginners explanation of what equipment I need in order to do this? I already have the hose that came with my Technika and the US/BSPP adapter from Chris Coffee. Thanks!

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Randy's got it pretty much wrapped up in a nice package for you.
I will suggest this to you: Look over your plans carefully with an eye toward the future. What if you replace the machine in ten years with a bigger system? What if you want to add a sink or another appliance like a water oven? Additional filtration? How about moving the machine to the other end of the counter to accommodate better ergonomics or readjusted priorities. What if you need to make repairs to or replace the countertop? How many shutoff valves would you like to have for peace of mind?

 
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 12:21pm
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Bogiesan Said:

Randy's got it pretty much wrapped up in a nice package for you.
I will suggest this to you: Look over your plans carefully with an eye toward the future. What if you replace the machine in ten years with a bigger system? What if you want to add a sink or another appliance like a water oven? Additional filtration? How about moving the machine to the other end of the counter to accommodate better ergonomics or readjusted priorities. What if you need to make repairs to or replace the countertop? How many shutoff valves would you like to have for peace of mind?

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+1 to EVERYTHING from Bogie and Randy.

in addition, don't neglect to plumb in the drain.  If anything that's even more important than the supply.  It's got to run downhill all the way -- no Us, no matter how small.  

Plumbing to line and drain is not a major deal; but since you're folding it into a much bigger project which probably involves a plumber anyway, it might be less worry to have the plumber take care of hooking up the machine.    

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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 1:14pm
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Plumbing the water line was a simple matter for me as my two-part article suggests. I spent longer in the planning than in the installation, and that is the way a project like this should be. I also looked into plumbing the drain line but went with a 3 gallon waste bottle behind my cart. Building codes are pretty specific about waste drains, and the consequences of doing it wrong can be quite problematic. If a sewage line backs up you really do not want it backing up into your drip tray. My coffee bar is in a room which had no existing plumbing. Easy to overcome with a pressurized feed line. To try to add the sloping drain and a vent would have been very difficult. As it is, I only empty the waste bottle about every two to three weeks (never kept track) , and even then it is never much more than half full. if the installation was on the kitchen counter I would likely have plumbed the drain, but still made some sort of system so I wouldn't been feeding descaling or backflush chemicals into my septic system.

 
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 1:59pm
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frcn Said:

 To try to add the sloping drain and a vent would have been very difficult. As it is,   if the installation was on the kitchen counter I would likely have plumbed the drain, but still made some sort of system so I wouldn't been feeding descaling or backflush chemicals into my septic system.

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I also found that plumbing in a drain would have been difficult and costly and opted not to do so.  My machine sits right next to a sink so emptying the drain tray is easy.  I used the Quick Mill Andreja plumb in kit from Chris Coffee to convert my  Salvatore from pour over to plumbed in.  Worked great.  When we remodel the kitchen this year I will have a drain plumbed in to the coffee corner for whatever machine I decide to get.
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