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espressocanada
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 8:47am
Subject: Are right, here we go - Rocket Giotto Premium V2 ? Grinder ??
 

1)What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)

Love a thick frothy cappuccino , nice fine bubbles as well as a straight shot of espresso rich, aromatic and velvety .
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)

Daily for sure - 2 cappuccino and 4 espresso shots - weekend entertainment easy 8 per day
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)

40 min - 50 max
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?

prefer the flexibility of a reservoir.
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?

If need be, I can run a line.
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

$2000 for the espresso machine alone. Grinder $300-400...but after reading some postings here, maybe a better grinder and drop the espresso to $1800...balance act. I like products built like a tank, I do not like fancy dandy displays - electronics always fail.
7)  Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment? Do you or family member have the skills to repair used equipment?

I'm a computer technician, used is fine but I'm in Ontario, Canada.
8)  Do you have the essential accessories (decent tamper, knockbox, the works), otherwise budget about $100 for these.

Separate budget so not an issue. I saw the calibrated tampers by Espro..seems like a novel idea.

What I have seen :

Breville Oracle - NOT
Rocket Giotoo Premium Plus V2 - nice...kind of shiny :). Seems that this design shell is used by everybody. I don't care about looks just build quality.

Dual tank are a premium so a good heat exchanger is fine as well . So long as I can make 5-6 espresso while making my froth on the fly.
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Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 9:22am
Subject: Re: Are right, here we go - Rocket Giotto Premium V2 ? Grinder ??
 

Looking at your needs and budget, you are definitely poised to get a great setup - especially for a first setup!  There are many HX machines in your budget range.  A few dual boilers are in your range as well, if you can find a used one in good shape. Check the Buy, Sell, Trade board here and on Home-Barista.  Personally, I don't really know enough of the differences between the different HX machines in your (or any really) price range.  You need to look at boiler capacity, rotary vs vibratory pump, pstat vs OPV, aesthetics and a few other features to really decide. Do you want a volumetric or semi-automatic machine? You're going to get some responses here telling you what machines to look at from other, but keep in mind that what you also need to do is read about the various features and decide how important each one is to you, then see which machine has what.  Rocket makes a great machine, so if you end up with that, you should be very happy with it's performance.

Your budget allows you to get an excellent grinder, even if you were to purchase new.  As you want something built like a tank, and can afford it, you should checkout the Mazzer Mini class comparison on Home-Barista (http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-grinder-reviews.html) Also, consider your budget putts you in the market for a Super Jolly or even a used Mazzer Major - especially since you aren't interested in the "E" models.

The sticky may include this, I can't recall, but if space is a concern (in any direction - including vertical), you need to do some measuring and make sure you leave yourself some wiggle room to do your work.

As far as plumbing in...you should do it if you can. The daily (or more often - especially when you entertain) task of refilling a reservoir gets very old, very fast. There's no advantage to "the flexibility of using a reservoir". Unless you plan to carry your 40+ lb machine with you to other places.

In regards to 15 or 20 amp supply...it's great you can run a line if necessary. That will open up the full gamut of machines. For instance, the Izzo Alex Duetto can run in either 15amp or 20-amp mode. The advantage of running it in 20-amp mode is that both the group boiler and steam boiler heating elements can be active at the same time.  Of course, unless one is exceptionally fast in prepping drinks, it doesn't matter much to have it in 15 amp mode, but then again, I haven't tried it in 20.  Having said that, there are other machines that need 20-amps, in a dedicated line, just to work without tripping the circuit breaker. Since you're handy with electrical work. Keep in mind also, that you'll want your machine on an outlet with a GFCI.

FWIW, I used to own an Espro tamper. IMO they are a useful, but unnecessary, training tool. If you really like the way it looks and feels, go for it, but if you prefer some shiny colored powder coat or a cool looking high gloss finish hardwood, you'll be happier with that in the long run. Of course, you could always start with an Espro and then sell it when you're ready to move on...but I think that through practice, you could learn to tamp consistently without it.

 
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:03am
Subject: Re: Are right, here we go - Rocket Giotto Premium V2 ? Grinder ??
 

The pressure sensor ... I understand the concept but don't see the reasoning to have to adjust it as I am new at this . The rotary pump would definitely be my preference based on sure build and design, especially longevity. I'm not concerned with aesthetics or location.

I do not have any intention in moving it but running a plumbing line will be an issue for sure. Volumetric or semi - automatic ? I think this is in relation to the pressure and temperature ? If the machine does a good job then I'm fine with the engineering design of the semi-automatic.

I read several of the definitions but I don't understand the practical aspects of some of what you mentioned.

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Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:13pm
Subject: Re: Are right, here we go - Rocket Giotto Premium V2 ? Grinder ??
 

Somehow I missed it, what pressure sensor are you talking about?

Either a DB or HX can pull and steam at the same time, there is no advantage here with either.

Plumb in, is a HUGE plus. You need not run lines or drill holes. Some people use a water bottle and pump to supply the machine, then use a bottle to drain into. I am plumbed in for supply but drain into a bottle. There is NO comparison between the two!

Volumetric is also Extremely nice, it makes adjusting your pulls fast and easy. You get the same volume of water for each shot or double, no guessing and when it comes to different cups you are using, you don't have to guess here either as each cup looks different. Volumeric takes your game to the next level.

Do up the grinder budget even if that is cutting back on the machine. The grinder is what preps the coffee to be pulled, poor or less than perfect prep, and less than great coffee follows.

 
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