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Roc1
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:23pm
Subject: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

Am about to pull the trigger on the Giotto but for approx 179 extra I can get the Evoluzione model. The differences that I can see is that you get a rotary pump (rather than the vibratory one on the Giotto) and the option to be able to plumb it in.

Evoluzione:
http://www.bellabarista.co.uk/rocket...e-machine.html

Giotto:
http://www.bellabarista.co.uk/brands...e-machine.html

My current kitchen set up wouldn't allow for plumbing in (it may do in the future, poss 5+ years time when we have an extension done), so I guess my question is, as things stand is it worth the extra for the Evoluzione to get the vibratory pump?

I don't know enough about the differences so here was my first port of call! Ideally wanted to put the order in tonight or tomorrow so advice is appreciated!

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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 2:58pm
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

You're correct on the differences.   The Plus model used to only have a boiler pressure gauge but Rocket added the pump pressure gauge to the Plus when they released the V2 models.

The Evo does have the option to drain the drip tray.  That's a bigger deal than you'd think.  The Rocket has a smaller drip tray and it's very, very handy to drain the drip tray to an external container.  

The rotary pump is another major advantage for the Evo.  The rotary pump is much quieter and more durable than a vibe pump.  Having a rotary pump makes it easier to backflush and descale the machine since you don't have to worry about the duty cycle of the pump.

Either way, you can't go wrong.  Rocket produces outstanding espresso machines and either one will deliver great performance for many years.
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

dsblv Said:

The rotary pump is another major advantage for the Evo.  The rotary pump is much quieter and more durable than a vibe pump.  Having a rotary pump makes it easier to backflush and descale the machine since you don't have to worry about the duty cycle of the pump.

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The only thing I would add here.

The Rotary pump is quieter with a more elegant system of brew pressure control....as for Durable in the domestic environment they will time expire in a sense (the seals go), so probably the life of either is similar. However the Vibe pump is very cheap to replace and works fine. With the rotary you have the potential for a pump and motor going wrong, either one is much times more expensive than a vibe pump.

That said, I prefer a rotary pump.
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 5:39am
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

DavecUK Said:

The only thing I would add here.
The Rotary pump is quieter with a more elegant system of brew pressure control....as for Durable in the domestic environment they will time expire in a sense (the seals go), so probably the life of either is similar. However the Vibe pump is very cheap to replace and works fine. With the rotary you have the potential for a pump and motor going wrong, either one is much times more expensive than a vibe pump.
That said, I prefer a rotary pump.

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I think most of us lust after the rotary pump. After a paddle or E61, large capacity boiler or double boilers, the rotary pump is the last remaining upgrade the advanced home espresso nutjob can add to his or her dream machine.

Personal anecdote: The little Ulka pump in my original Salvatore lasted 13-14 years, 30,000 or more espresso shots. When I replaced my machine just recently, I had the option of putting in the rotary but it's simply not practical in my kitchen.

 
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 5:59am
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

DavecUK Said:

The only thing I would add here.

The Rotary pump is quieter with a more elegant system of brew pressure control....as for Durable in the domestic environment they will time expire in a sense (the seals go), so probably the life of either is similar. However the Vibe pump is very cheap to replace and works fine. With the rotary you have the potential for a pump and motor going wrong, either one is much times more expensive than a vibe pump.

That said, I prefer a rotary pump.

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I am not sure I agree with the "expiration" of the pump, sure it is possible but I have yet to see a rotary pump go bad, even on decades old machines that I have while the vibe pump does not fill me with the same confidence. On my Sylvia rebuild, I replaced the vibe pump for exactly that reason but there was no sign of failure on the vibe pump at the time.

Vibes do cost less, for sure however I find the rotary to be a little smoother in operation as well as the much commented on, quieter operation. The option for future plumb in is a very nice option to have and the use of the machine, the same machine, as a pour over and as a plumb in, is a totally different experience. Just saying. This is why many choose to run plumb in machines on a bottle and drain into a bottle rather than staying with a pour over only machine, even when making holes is not an option. YMMV!

 
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

Thanks for the replies.  I've gone for the evoluzione in the end.  I'm seeing this as a machine that I will use everyday for many years to come, so the extra 180 wasn't a big deal in the end for me to get the better machine.
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 2:33pm
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Enjoy!  The Evoluzione is a great machine and will last a very long time.
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2014, 5:20pm
Subject: Re: Rocket Giotto Plus vs Evoluzione V2
 

I'm in the same decision maker here as well and was thinking of either the Rocket Giotto Premium Plus V2 or the Bezzera Magica E61.

Two factors are swinging me over to the Evoluzione ...the insulated tank was a smart idea. But no rotary pump but a $400 difference in price as well.
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