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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 8:32am
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The Mignon is a much better grinder than the Grinta.  Well worth the extra money, IMO.

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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:02am
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we ordered the restricters from ns as musica parts. Don't cheap out on the grinder, it affects the taste in the cup the most equipment wise. Opv is not that important, IMO the restricters are.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:45am
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I think the Mahlkonig Vario Home is the best 'bang per euro' in this segment even if it's used solely for espresso.
I checked eBay.it, and there are some vintage Mazzer Super Jollys for less.  Keep in mind, that on any used grinder you will likely need to replace the burrs, and the Vario Home is considered comparable to the Mazzer SJ in terms of grind quality.
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:34pm
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Unless they have a strong interest in coffee and motivated to learn espresso I find it hard to believe that you expected the staff to learn how to make expresso.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 1:35pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

Unless they have a strong interest in coffee and motivated to learn espresso I find it hard to believe that you expected the staff to learn how to make expresso.

Posted January 20, 2014 link

Maybe that was meant for a different thread?
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 1:59pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

we ordered the restricters from ns as musica parts. Don't cheap out on the grinder, it affects the taste in the cup the most equipment wise. Opv is not that important, IMO the restricters are.

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Can you elaborate a bit on how the restricters are going to affect the shot quality? I can save 100 Euros right now going no mods, maybe to to put that money towards a supposedly better grinder.
Also, would you prefer a Rancilio Silvia plus Vario Home grinder instead of Oscar plus Grinta?
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 4:37pm
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The restricters were 20$ dollar not sure about euros. They balance the thermosyphon and make the flushes shorter. This makes it save water and keeps the temp from rising a lot durning a slow drippy pull. Making the shots much better.  BLD said Oscar was hard for his staff to use. I think that making espresso is a lot to expect from most office people.  I wouldn't get a Silva over an Oscar.  Temp surfing and weak steam is not what I wanted.  I love streaming and pulling shots at the same time. All the mods you can do to Silvia will not make it better than what I have IMHO. Ymmv.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 6:35pm
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thanks Helen.

hey Enrico,

all the mod kits for you here

the restrictors imho is a must...at 4.4 euros no brainer...

i would do the anti-vacuum since the case is opened and it is simple...not critical but why not...

the others i would save for some other time...

with the restrictors...the pressure to the group should be reduced "a bit" so you get some help without the opv mod...
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 7:12pm
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It lets you put the machine on a timer, a really useful mod in my opinion.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 20, 2014, 7:46pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

The restricters were 20$ dollar not sure about euros. They balance the thermosyphon and make the flushes shorter. This makes it save water and keeps the temp from rising a lot durning a slow drippy pull. Making the shots much better.  BLD said Oscar was hard for his staff to use. I think that making espresso is a lot to expect from most office people.  I wouldn't get a Silva over an Oscar.  Temp surfing and weak steam is not what I wanted.  I love streaming and pulling shots at the same time. All the mods you can do to Silvia will not make it better than what I have IMHO. Ymmv.

Posted January 20, 2014 link

BDL not BLD.  Or "Rich" if you prefer to use my real name.

My paralegal and secretary were both extremely competent, involved in coffee, enjoyed pampering my clients and mastered barista skills to the point of being able to competently steam a pitcher of milk.  That does not alter the nature of their experience with a stock Oscar.  Nor does it alter the success they had using a less cranky and significantly more expensive HX.

Except for a very limited set of circumstances, Silvia is a HORRIBLE choice for anyone buying a new machine; and so is just about any SBDU.  Without a PID or something else which works better than "temperature surfing," they are incapable of producing even adequate coffee without a great deal of luck.  PID modded they may be able to jump that hurdle, but are still disqualified by poor steaming and slow recovery times.

While I've never used tried one myself, Oscars with the "Plindy mods" are well regarded.  Combined with a Eureka Mignon it sounds like a great setup for the OP.  

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