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Caferko
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 1:50pm
Subject: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

Hi everyone,

first,
I want to say that english is not my native language, i can understand your answers very well but I make a lot of mistakes while i'm writing so I apologize...

1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
I really love latte but also all others espresso based drinks
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
2-3 Max
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
Maybe 15-20
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?
Own reservoir
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
15 amp
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?
Because i'm a (poor) student, I would like a espresso machine+grinder+accessories under 500$. I know I can't do the best espresso in the world with this budget but this is my first espresso machine and maybe ill pick a better machine in the future (the machine can last only 2 years)

7)  Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment?
New Pref
Do you or family member have the skills to repair used equipment?
Yes
8)  Do you have the essential accessories (decent tamper, knockbox, the works) :
no accessories

thanks for your help :)
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emradguy
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Location: Houston
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Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 7:06pm
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

The best buy for the money, entry level, is (IMHO) the Gaggia Classic.  It goes for a little under $400USD. You could pair it with a manual (hand operated) grinder, which you can get for about $50. This doesn't leave much room for accessories, but if you only buy a decent tamper and a frothing pitcher, you can get by while you save up for more stuff. But you'll want cleaning products in short order after that. If you can eek out a another $100, it would help a lot. Another option is to get a MyPressi Twist instead of the Gaggia, then you could spend more on a grinder...maybe get an electric one such as the Baratza Preciso (refurbished units for $239).

 
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dwRK
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Location: Houston
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 8:23pm
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

i second the gaggia classic...its a great little starter machine...some folks start with this and end up using for 6-8years!

it has a small "boiler" but is heated with 1400watts!!! not necessary but with a few simple/cheap mods you can make it do tricks to your desire...
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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 7:43am
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

Look around and see what you can find on the used market before you decide.  You can get much more bang for your buck used, and often get lucky with machines that were never used on craigslist or garage sales.

 
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emradguy
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:04am
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

Caferko Said:

7)  Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment?
New Pref

Posted January 1, 2014 link

though, I do agree with Helen.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 1:12pm
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

Wholelattelove has the Classic + Gaddia MDF on for $525 and a 10% deal going on right now.  Click

The grinder might do you well but I don't have hands on so I can't confirm that.  I can however confirm that the Hario Skerton hand grinder if modded for stepless will produce great espresso. The mod is a simple swap of the grind adjustment mechanism with an M8 Posilock nut.
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StanleySpadowski
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Location: New Hampshire
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Gaggia MDF, Kyocera CM-50
Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 2:53pm
Subject: Re: First machine(low budget)(newbie)
 

Burner0000 Said:

Wholelattelove has the Classic + Gaddia MDF on for $525 and a 10% deal going on right now.  Click

The grinder might do you well but I don't have hands on so I can't confirm that.  I can however confirm that the Hario Skerton hand grinder if modded for stepless will produce great espresso. The mod is a simple swap of the grind adjustment mechanism with an M8 Posilock nut.

Posted January 2, 2014 link

I have the MDF and Hario Skerton (Kyocera, actually), and I use the Skerton for espresso 99% of the time.  The MDF is simply overkill for my purposes -- and a bit messy to boot.  If I were making drinks several times per day, or for several people, I'd probably lug out the MDF because it's faster.

I recommend a stepless Skerton/Kyocera to go along with a Gaggia Classic and a quality tamper as a good budget setup.  You'll have some money left over for other accessories if you wish.  You'll go crazy trying to dial in the grind without the stepless mod however!
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