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frankie24
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 9:49am
Subject: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

Hi lads! I just signed up here because after some research on the internet i am still getting crazy.. first of all sorry to everyone if I have some mistakes while writting.. I am spanish and is quite hard for me.
Here is the problem, I have been looking for an espresso machine with a grinder for no ore than 850 , about a 1000 $. I am working as a barista with an increidible la marzocco g5 and I just want a good coffee machine to imorove my latte arts at home, drink some nice coffee and make some hot chocolates.
I found the rancilio silvia with the baratza vario for 840 at coffeeitaly.co.uk but lot of people complain about that doesn't have a the PID wich can be a problem. I also read about how hard can be to make a good coffee but I dont mind about that because I have some proffesional knowledge.
I have seen that lot of people look for an HX coffee machine but they are mkre expensive and I need a limit on my budget..
I will make some days 5 lattes and some days none because I will use for learning ( of course I will drink coffee hahaha)
What is your opinion about that?

Thanks everyone for your help
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boar_d_laze
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:24am
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

frankie24 Said:

I just want a good coffee machine to improve my latte arts at home, drink some nice coffee ... Rancilio Silvia with the Baratza Vario for 840 ... doesn't have a the PID which can be a problem....how hard can be to make a good coffee but ... I have some professional knowledge.... a lot of people look for an HX coffee machine but they are more expensive and I need a limit on my budget.  I will make some days 5 lattes ... (and of course I will drink coffee).

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No matter what your budget is, and no matter how good your "professional knowledge," a Silvia cannot accurately or consistently hit the correct temperature to balance sweets and sours for a given bean; it requires long recovery between drinks, especially milk drinks (around five minutes between the second and third drink); requires a couple of minutes between pulling a shot and steaming for EVERY milk drink; and is an extremely slow steamer -- so slow that the milk loses its sweetness during the process.  

If you want to practice making espresso, temping is an essential skill -- perhaps THE essential skill.  While a PID would help with temperature management, it cannot make the Silvia fast enough between shots, or make it an adequate steamer.  A Silvia might be a good choice for some people, but is not nearly capable of doing what you need.  

Sorry to be so negative, but it's better to know than to waste money on something which can't do what you want.

A lot of cafes, bars and restaurants closed as a result of the way "austerity" was imposed on the Spanish economy.  There should be a lot of professional quality used equipment available, and that might be the best way to satisfy your needs and budget.        

Muy buena suerte,
BDL
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frankie24
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:57am
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

Thanks for your answer! I am not sad, as you said is good to know something about that before you spend the money.. I am living in Dublin now and I have never been really confident about second hand equipment because you never know how is inside or what they did before with it... any dea about brand new for my needes?

Thanks again ;)
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:06pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

frankie24 Said:

Thanks for your answer! I am not sad, as you said is good to know something about that before you spend the money.. I am living in Dublin now and I have never been really confident about second hand equipment because you never know how is inside or what they did before with it... any dea about brand new for my needes?

Thanks again ;)

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Since you're in the UK, this thread might be helpful.
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 1:02pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

If you are used to a GS3, I won't go near consumer products, you will  be disappointed.
Try to buy and/or restore a small commercial machine like a Faema Compact or Cimbali Junior.
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 1:52pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

5 lattes on a Silva, you'll want to bang your head on the wall between temp surfing and waiting lol. It's out of date and overpriced, the Vario is an incredible espresso grinder for the money though. I'd try to find a used nice machine, you should have no problem finding a used h/x in the UK. As an example I don't know if the CC1 is available there but for 40 bucks more here your getting a large boiler for this class, full PID control of everything from temp to preinfusion, and a separate thermo block for steaming that allows you to switch from brew to steam fast.

I'd still look for a used h/x, and stick with the Vario... Unless you can score a cheap deal on say a Super Jolley or similar.
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 4:48pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

If you want to improve your latte art skills on a budget, pick up a Bellman stovetop steamer.

You could get a Vario and a La Peppina and make great espresso on your budget.

My 2

 
Living the caffeinated life.
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 4:48pm
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Noop.. i tried to find the cc1 but is impossible in europe.. what about the isomac venus? Boiler is bigger and is coming with gauge.. could be a better option than the silvia?
Cheers ;)
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 5:16pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

frankie24 Said:

What about the Isomac Venus? Boiler is bigger and is coming with gauge.. could be a better option than the silvia?

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No SBDU will do what you want, and neither will a hybrid.  If you want to practice professional level latte skills, you need a fast steaming HX or DB.  Anything longer than 30 seconds to steam 100ml of milk is too long.  I'm not saying you can't make milk you can pour into a pattern, but it won't taste or pour like milk which is steamed in less than 10 seconds.  

Similarly, if you want to make decent coffee you need a machine which can be temped conveniently, accurately and consistently.  You're not going to learn much about dialing in trying to do it with a machine which will almost always be wrong no matter what you do.

No SBDU on the market is capable of making more than two lattes in less than about 10 minutes.  Try that at work and learn something about the finer points of profanity as practiced in Ireland.  

The only thing SBDUs like the Silvia and Venus have in common with the GB/5 you're using at work  is the word "espresso."  

BDL
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Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:09pm
Subject: Re: what should i buy? thinking about rancilio silvia v3..help please :)
 

boar_d_laze Said:

No SBDU will do what you want, and neither will a hybrid.  If you want to practice professional level latte skills, you need a fast steaming HX or DB.  Anything longer than 30 seconds to steam 100ml of milk is too long.  I'm not saying you can't make milk you can pour into a pattern, but it won't taste or pour like milk which is steamed in less than 10 seconds.  

Similarly, if you want to make decent coffee you need a machine which can be temped conveniently, accurately and consistently.  You're not going to learn much about dialing in trying to do it with a machine which will almost always be wrong no matter what you do.

No SBDU on the market is capable of making more than two lattes in less than about 10 minutes.  Try that at work and learn something about the finer points of profanity as practiced in Ireland.  

The only thing SBDUs like the Silvia and Venus have in common with the GB/5 you're using at work  is the word "espresso."  

BDL

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LOL
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