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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 4:58am
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cafeparts Said:

If you are used to a GS3, I won't go near consumer products, you will  be disappointed.
Try to buy and/or restore a small commercial machine like a Faema Compact or Cimbali Junior.

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Big +1 here!  Coming from a Silvia owner the machine is a good one for a single boiler but it does have a learning curve. In your case learning to brew slower.  With the Silvia you get what you pay for. It's built well but the capabilities are low compared to an HX or DB machine.  Going from something like the GS3 to the Silvia is like being used to driving a Ferrari and getting into a minivan.  If your willing to deal with slower recovery times and temp surfing the Silvia can produce good espresso and good microfoam.  I'd pay $800 for the combo but I'd keep my eyes out for a second hand HX machine first.  

If you were to buy it I'd look into adding a PID, DIY PID for cheaper to stay within your buudget.
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 6:32am
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I would say bicycle to sports car rather than minivan but you get the point.  Learning Silvia will not help your espresso at work, any more than riding a bike will teach you how to drive a car.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 4:33pm
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Hey guys!
Of course I won't compare the marzocco, because is not what I want and I know they can't be compared, I didn't say anything about comparing hahaha
After some reflexion I think is not good for me the Silvia. So here is what I found..
Quick mill pegaso
Quick mill Cassiopeia
Expobar office pulser ( control too expensive)
Isomac diamantina.

Cc1 impossible here and I was interested in the breville 870 I think but hard to find here as well

Any of then matched with the grinder: la pavoni jolly
This is the maximum I could find for the money I have

Any suggestion about them? Remember I will make mostly lattes and cappuccinos

Thanks :)
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 9:03pm
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While I can see you are really interested, I just have to say, exactly the same thing as BDL. NO SBDU MACHNE WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY AND NO SBDU MACHINE WILL HELP YOU DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR SKILLS AT WORK, PEROID. END OF STATEMENT. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I really dislike being so strong esp to a new member but you are setting yourself up for disapointment and frustration.

Seriously consider used equipment. Commercial machines are pretty solid and while they likely could use a descale and a cleaning (no coffee shop takes care of them the way they should that I have ever seen) if you see it work before purchase, it is hard to see how you could get hurt. That goes for the grinder too, you just will not get the performance you need from a home class grinder, not going to happen.

For one shot, at home with a lot of frustration, your budget will work, for much more than that, no, it is too small, sorry, the truth is the truth.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:10pm
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For someone who uses a La Marzocco at work, and thinks a CC1 is going to make them better at their job, all i can think is they must not know very much about espresso.

There is SO much information on the internet about how to brew great espresso, your time would be much better spent reading, and experimenting with that knowledge at work.
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 8:07am
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calblacksmith Said:

While I can see you are really interested, I just have to say, exactly the same thing as BDL. NO SBDU MACHNE WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY AND NO SBDU MACHINE WILL HELP YOU DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR SKILLS AT WORK, PEROID. END OF STATEMENT. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I really dislike being so strong esp to a new member but you are setting yourself up for disapointment and frustration.

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I don't think I agree with this...and I thought of saying this last night.... One part of drink prep is the mano, and learning to grind, dose, distribute and tamp well is important, no matter what equipment one has. I think a lot of us have gone past SBDU land long enough ago to realize how limited it is, and we've grown to adopt the I would never go back...how could anyone really into this habit deal with it attitude. But, when I think back to my SBDU days...I look at how long I had mine (8 years), how much I loved the process of making my drinks, and the overall quality of my drinks (better than at least 95% of what's out there commercially). Heck, we have one very, very seasoned member here who used a Gaggia Classic for 25 years! So, where did we all get our skills down (those of us who learned on a SBDU and then upgraded years down the road)? On our prosumer or commercial machines? Or on our SBDUs? So, to tell people they won't be happy with a SBDU, or that they can't develop their skills on a SBDU is, IMHO, to be taken with a grain of salt. One other point...we all say how difficult it is to be consistent on a SBDU (for many reasons), and how much harder one has to work on their technique to get good shots consistently. So, why doesn't that due diligence in basket prep translate into better skills? I mean, when one has high end commercial gear at their disposal, and great quality fresh beans, then the limiting factor is the mano - no? - so if one is working extra hard to put forth the best mano he/she can, then that should at least contribute to better barista skills on top end equipment...some of us seem to disagree with that, and it doesn't make sense to me...but hey, take my words with a grain of salt too, as I've never working in a cafe (and have no desire to.

Now, I will say, I haven't thoroughly read all the posts in this thread, and I will admit, I don't know the needs/wants of the OP as well as I should, but I think that what I've said above is worth considering how we advise people starting out.


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...your time would be much better spent reading, and experimenting with that knowledge at work.

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Now, this is something I can get behind...unless of course, the OP wants to be able to make drinks at home too.

 
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 8:12am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I would say bicycle to sports car rather than minivan but you get the point.  Learning Silvia will not help your espresso at work, any more than riding a bike will teach you how to drive a car.

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For me, the bike would be a moka pot, not a SBDU machine.

 
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:10am
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My thought was a bike will not get you to highway speeds but any car that works correctly can.

 
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:18am
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I see.  Well, a Sentra will start shaking at about 100 mph (or at least it's predecessor would 20 years ago), while my BMW330 will go 132 mph without a problem (that's as fast as I was willing to take it when I put it to the test - and supposedly, it has a speed limiter on it set at 128 mph).  I don't know how fast one can get Ferrari up to, but I supect it's quite a bit higher than my car.  That was why I thought the car analogy is apropo, while throwing a bike into it, ought to be analagous to using something other than an espresso machine.

 
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:27am
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I find the whole car analogy (...well most analogy here), like hyperbole, useless and irrelevant  to making quality espresso.
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