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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 2:51pm
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ilcaffedio Said:

I'm interested to see how this goes.  The Spaziale looks good to me, my only reservation on them is the 53 mm portafilter, as opposed to 58 mm.

Posted December 25, 2013 link

I have pulled shots with same beans and grinder on a 53mm & 58mm, 53mm shots looked and tasted good, shots were slightly brighter than the 58mm-58mm shots were more earthy tasting.

I think its a matter of what type of shot profiles you prefer.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 4:25pm
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I'm sure that with dialed-in parameters (and all other variables equal), shots from a 53 mm can equal shots of a 58 mm (albeit parameters between the two, will slightly differ).  However, my concern is a matter of convenience, based upon the common standard of 58 mm.  Components sized for 58 mm {tampers, baskets, portafilters, group brushes, dosing funnel...} are much more commonly available.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 5:54pm
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SpaceTime Said:

Cool, I am looking forward to your insights, analysis and comparison of the VI and the Dream - especially as an owner of both!!  Nothing beats first hand experience!!

I am doing my own analysis right now, and thinking very hard about getting a Mini Vivaldi.  I am sponging all the info and data I can as part of that analysis and decision.  I want this machine to be the last for 5-10 years, and heart set on a Double Boiler.

Thanks for being a good sport about my call-out / ribbing.... ;-)

Posted December 25, 2013 link

I have posted my "no worries" Vivaldi 1 in the for sale section of this forum. Chris Coffee has calibrated, bench tested for two days, cleaned and descaled, and repaired several items. It now has as new specifications and measurements. CC agreed instead of me paying shipping back to Florida that they would ship directly to the new buyer.

So if interested, PM me.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 6:07pm
Subject: Re: S1 Dream by La Spaziale
 

ilcaffedio Said:

I'm interested to see how this goes.  The Spaziale looks good to me, my only reservation on them is the 53 mm portafilter, as opposed to 58 mm.

Posted December 25, 2013 link

My impression thus far -

When I changed from my Giotto ECM to my Vivaldi 1, I had to purchase a new Reg Barber tamper.
Other than connecting to my water filter system, nothing involved on my end for adapting to the Dream.

I have not changed any of the settings on the Dream. I may not ever. I cannot say the Dream pulls a better espresso than my Vivaldi 1. Perhaps my lack of knowledge, but I like very much what I am getting.

The Dream is however giving me feedback to improve my pulls. It displays the volume and seconds. So if I don't get the seconds right, then I know I have to adjust my tamping or Mini Mazzer.

I could have used a stop watch with my Vivaldi 1. Upon occasion I did. Now with the Dream I closely monitor each pull. So feedback from the Dream is making me better at pulls, versus my tweaking the Dream to make it better.

Both are awesome at home espresso.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 7:19pm
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Maotoying Said:

I have posted my "no worries" Vivaldi 1 in the for sale section of this forum. Chris Coffee has calibrated, bench tested for two days, cleaned and descaled, and repaired several items. It now has as new specifications and measurements. CC agreed instead of me paying shipping back to Florida that they would ship directly to the new buyer.

So if interested, PM me.

Posted December 25, 2013 link

Thank you for the offer, however, I have to go non-plumbed for the foreseeable future, at least the first few years.  So I will need that option or a machine with both - I think the V1 you have is a plumbed in only - correct? Plus, I prefer to buy new for this purchase - want the warranty and will head that route.  

I really want the VII, but may end up going with an different machine that offers both plumbed / non-plumbed so when I can plumb it in the future when ready... I wish La Spaz made one in the VII line that had the "both" plumbed and non-plumbed option.  If it did I would already own it - it is probably the main reason I have not pulled the trigger and still considering a V2B, Duetto III etc.

The fact you are sticking with the La Spaz line says a lot...
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 10:02pm
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whatever you decide to do and which machine to buy, don't count out plumb in just because you can't tie it into your dewllings current water supply. Many plumb in machines are operated here by members who use a 4 or 5 gallon water bottle and a pump such as the Surflow or Flowjet to feed water to the machine. If your plans even in the future have you thinking the possibility of plumbin, there are ways around the problem. It would save the cost of an upgrade in the future. :D

 
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:05pm
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calblacksmith Said:

whatever you decide to do and which machine to buy, don't count out plumb in just because you can't tie it into your dewllings current water supply. Many plumb in machines are operated here by members who use a 4 or 5 gallon water bottle and a pump such as the Surflow or Flowjet to feed water to the machine. If your plans even in the future have you thinking the possibility of plumbin, there are ways around the problem. It would save the cost of an upgrade in the future. :D

Posted December 25, 2013 link

Yes I am aware of that option, and have ruled it out... thanks though for the suggestion.

I have a lot of experience with pumps from my RV, camping and woodshop - but my wife just won't let me get away with a 5 gallon water bottle out in her kitchen LOL... nowhere to put it under the cabinets without holes... you get it.  If I could I would....  I have kicked around the idea of getting rid of the wife, and getting the machine I want though... ;-)

Thanks again for bringing up the option however!
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:39pm
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Posted Thu Dec 26, 2013, 9:34am
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Posted Wed Mar 5, 2014, 7:02am
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It has been a while since I offered an update on my La Spaziale Dream. The bottom line, "I like it."

Several weeks into ownership the LED display displayed an Error message regarding the temperature probe. I snapped an image and sent it off to CCS. They immediately interpreted the cause of failure, sent me a new probe with instructions on how to exchange bad with good, and then it was working fine. The fix was very easy to do. Were it not for the error message, I would have likely needed to ship it back to CCS; shipping one way is $80.

So, +1 for the Dream

Time of day, on and off. My la Spaziale S1 Vivaldi 1 did not have a time of day on/off. I have read of some mods on this topic, but futzing with the electronics of an espresso machine is not high on my list of things I need or want to do. I have set the Dream once for the hours of operation; this is a nice feature for cutting energy usage, and wear on the machine if left on for 24.

So, +1 for the Dream

I received a triple bottomless portafilter with the Dream. I like it. I continue to use it. I have my Auberge programmed to grind a dose that I want for the triple, push a button on the Auberge and the perfect amount is dispensed indirectly from my Mini Mazzer (new blades btw ) to the triple. The bottomless has taught me how to improve my tamping and receive even pour distribution without channeling.  Sure, I could have done this with the V1 S1, but didn't.

So, +1 for the Dream

Tamping has improved with the volumetric timer LED. The time of pour guides me if I am tamping too hard or soft. I could have used a cooking timer and shot glass with my V1 S1. Needless to say, this is much more convenient and therefore repeatable.

So, +1 for the Dream

I like the blue LED environment lighting. Inspires me to install an LED in my Mini Mazzer! :) I also like the new dashboard. This does not improve the quality of the shot, but does add to the consumption experience.

So, +1 for the Dream

I have left the other settings such as preinfusion as received from CCS. I am not inspired to spend time futzing with the standard settings. I am happy with the shots. As good as my V1 S1, better if it is considered that the Dream has taught me to make a better pour. Avoiding double accounting, no +1 for this.
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