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thepilgrimsdream
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:37pm
Subject: Rancilio Silvia Alternatives?
 

I've seen similar threads, but they seem to be about 6 years old and im sure the market has changed a bit with new products etc. Anyway, I'm in the market for a good home espresso machine. I would most likely be using a Mazzer Super Jolly as my grinder. I'd like to keep it under $1000

I'm looking for something that will last me quite a few years. It would be used for about 2 shots a day (or 30+ on holidays or when having parties).

I also want a machine capable of great microfoam for latte art.

The silvia seems to be the most popular machine in this price range, but is there anything I should be looking into?
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:39pm
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thepilgrimsdream Said:

I've seen similar threads, but they seem to be about 6 years old and im sure the market has changed a bit with new products etc. Anyway, I'm in the market for a good home espresso machine. I would most likely be using a Mazzer Super Jolly as my grinder. I'd like to keep it under $1000

I'm looking for something that will last me quite a few years. It would be used for about 2 shots a day (or 30+ on holidays or when having parties).

I also want a machine capable of great microfoam for latte art.

The silvia seems to be the most popular machine in this price range, but is there anything I should be looking into?

Posted December 23, 2013 link

I got a used silvia for $300. I think $700 is way overpriced for these, $300 used is about right.

You can get a refurb breville dual boiler for $700+

The gaggia Classic is another silvia-ish option but cheaper.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:59pm
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Seriously look into the CC1, IMHO, better than the Sylvia, more flexible in use and costs less too.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:30pm
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...parties and latte art on the cheaper side...IMHO sounds like an Oscar

I've a gaggia classic...it's painfully slow for milk drinks...that's just making 2 cappas in the morning...

I would go for good condition used ns mdx and Oscar...they should come in below $1k total

hope this helps
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:37pm
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No doubt Oscar is a good starter HX machine, I owned one and can attest to that.
I was staying in his budget for NEW equipment and the CC1 offers rapid steaming (but not at the same time) PID control, and other advanced features.

SJs are great grinders too, no doubt. I prefer the adjustment system on the MDX and it often can be found for less than a SJ while offering as good of a solid machine build quality and grind quality. The OP said that they WOULD be using the SJ, I took it that they already had it.

EDIT: After ReReading the post, it is clear that he did not have the grinder yet. There is no way for a NEW SJ and a NEW Sylvia under $1K so the SJ must be used and likely the the Sylvia too.

If you CAN find Oscar, it is a good value at an average sale price of around $500 but be prepared to do a little work on it.
While the MDX IS less expensive, there are less of them floating around too. However pretty much ANY stepless commercial grinder is going to be a good deal whatever the OP can find, mostly just a new set of burrs and away you go.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013, 9:03am
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Well...combo of new & old does go under $1k...guess will wait for OP to clarify.
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Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:09am
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thepilgrimsdream Said:

I would most likely be using a Mazzer Super Jolly as my grinder. I'd like to keep it under $1000

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Question - the above quote means you already have a Super Jolly, or plan on getting one - THEN you want to spend $1000 on a machine??  Please Clarify.
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Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013, 7:18pm
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Sorry, I'm picking up a used super jolly this weekend, but I'm budgeting $1000 for an espresso machine. I'll probably watch the market and wait for about a month. I prefer used if I can get higher quality for less
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 6:50am
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thepilgrimsdream Said:

Sorry, I'm picking up a used super jolly this weekend, but I'm budgeting $1000 for an espresso machine. I'll probably watch the market and wait for about a month. I prefer used if I can get higher quality for less

Posted December 24, 2013 link

Congrats on the SJ! :)  I can back up that the Silvia can handle your 2 shots a day and 30+ on weekends.  If your just pulling shots it will just spit them out until your reservoir runs dry.  But if your willing to spend $1000 you can probably find a good used 1 group commercial machine.  I picked up a 2 group that needed some work for $700 (capable of 250 shots /hr)


1st Line has a used V2 Silvia for $389
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 1:06pm
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Burner0000 Said:

Congrats on the SJ! :)  I can back up that the Silvia can handle your 2 shots a day and 30+ on weekends.  If your just pulling shots it will just spit them out until your reservoir runs dry.  But if your willing to spend $1000 you can probably find a good used 1 group commercial machine.  I picked up a 2 group that needed some work for $700 (capable of 250 shots /hr)


1st Line has a used V2 Silvia for $389

Posted December 25, 2013 link

I don't know Burner about a Silvia considering, and probably why you recommended the commercial option... here is my analysis:

- OP states there will be occasions / parties / holidays  where 30+ shots - but does not say how often said parties happen - once a month? year?  But even *one* of those parties, and serving 30+ guests with a Silvia will be an unforgettable experience!  
- OP wants to be "...capable of great microfoam for latte art."  This would make me tend towards a strong steamer, with a larger boiler, and one hopefully with dry steam.  Therefore, I would not be recommending any thermoblocks, and most SBDU's have smaller boilers, and are not strong steamers.  Sure, we can make a case there are some - but again, see bullet one above - what about the microfoam / art combined with a party.
- OP has a Super Jolly grinder... sure there are better, but 64mm burrs, and a pretty decent grind.... you could / should couple that with more machine.

This is one case where I would say IMHO -  and only because of your latte art and 30+ party requirements - that you need to increase your budget, think about an Hx or a DB.  You could also think of a used Hx in the $1000-$1250 range, or a new Oscar (though not my favorite machine without Hot Water spigot), etc

I just think with your requirements and grinder you need more machine than a Silvia - even one party of 30 people and you will wish you had a whole lot more machine.

IMHO.  YMMV. ;-)
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