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ristrettopuller
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Posted Mon Dec 2, 2013, 8:29pm
Subject: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

I will spend up to $1000 if I have to, but I would like the best machine out of the bunch for the money. Experienced users I would be graced with your guidance!!!! haha
not opposed to suggestions as well if there is a machine I may be missing. Maybe one of the Isomacs? Im not sure. Thanks!
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:25am
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

There are too many open questions to give any advice to your question. Please read and answer the stickey thread at the top of of the page. You will need a good grinder too, is this included in your budget or are you prepared to spend the $350+ need for a grinder to pair with the machine in addition to your machine purchase?

 
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:45pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

It really is not too open ended, my other post in the grinder section, referenced these machines and to answer your question like I said, quality comes first, I would pay for the vario if I have to, but the reality is i think their might be better grinders in the price, like the Lelit grinder, Mazzer and MaCap. Just want something to get the most quality of the machine
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:49pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

ristrettopuller Said:

I will spend up to $1000 if I have to, but I would like the best machine out of the bunch for the money

Posted December 2, 2013 link

Best is always a bit subjective.  From a features standpoint they all have PID's.  They're all single boiler machines but the Silvano and CC1 also have thermoblocks for steam.  If you're going to make milk drinks that would give them the edge over the LeLit.  None of this so far really requires experience and is just a matter of comparing the machines.

ristrettopuller Said:

not opposed to suggestions as well if there is a machine I may be missing. Maybe one of the Isomacs? Im not sure. Thanks!

Posted December 2, 2013 link

If you want recommendations you need to give us more info and that's what cal is referring to by open ended and mentioning the sticky with the usual questions.   Rather than saying "I'm looking at these 3 machines" tell us your needs/wants/priorities/budget/etc and we'll give you recommendations based on that information.  Relying on 3 machines you've selected is going about it a bit backwards.

ristrettopuller Said:

Just want something to get the most quality of the machine

Posted December 3, 2013 link

The grinder is very important to get the best quality from the machine.  It's a very relevant discussion topic which is why we constantly point out to potential buyers that the grinder matters more and should not be left as an afterthought.

What models of grinders are you looking at?  You've listed brands but each brand makes several models.  Does the $1000 budget include the grinder?  This question was not answered.  If your total budget is $1,000 you really should allocate more to the grinder which may rule out one of more of the machines that you're considering.  This is why the grinder and machine discussion shouldn't be separate.

ristrettopuller Said:

I would pay for the vario if I have to, but the reality is i think their might be better grinders in the price, like the Lelit grinder, Mazzer and MaCap.

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Can't speak to the others but you won't find a better Mazzer for the price of the Vario.  Vario's performance is equated to the Super Jolly which is a much pricier grinder.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 5:54pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

Takeshi, thank you for your response, really thorough and very appreciated. I am on the same page, I may be new to the forum, but nonetheless, still know the basics as to what constitutes a favorable set up. That being said, I just didn't want to crowd the post with too much info and out here on the forums ive learned a lot about machines that prior I did not know existed. its awesome!

TOO REPHRASE!

I have been looking at said machines but are not limited to them. I will gladly spend up to $1500 for a machine and grinder, if the performance is far superior than something in the $1000 budget. Like my name says, I am a ristretto snob, thus only occasionally would I be steaming for the occasional latte. THE MAIN FOCUS, is a machine and grinder that are considered the benchmark in the price range, only hear can you find the true "diamond in the rough" products, as popular coffee media is behind the times and still promoting outdated machines like the Sylvia and the Rocky, I feel that a lot of you wise aficionados know about those under rated, under the radar machines.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 6:32pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

Even with the PID, the LeLit is an SBDU and suffers from all the usual SBDU faults.  The "saturated group" doesn't have enough mass to be what you'd call real stable.  It's not bad for $600, but by no means the best "under $1000."  

Crossland CC1 v1.5 and QM Silvano are similar in a great many ways.  I've never compared them side by side, but imagine it would be hard to pick one over the other based on quality in the cup or ease of use.   The QM is a little better built, and a slightly better steamer.  Is that worth the price difference?  If you plan on making milk drinks regularly, I think I'd look for a better steamer.  

You can probably find a Breville BDB discounted to less than $1000 if you look.  Given that you seem more interested in feature-rich friendly machines than stripped machines which may (or not be better built), the BDB might be just right for you.  It's easier to use, produces better quality in the cup, and is a better steamer that the three machines you've listed.  

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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 7:06pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

BDL thank you for the advice!!! in regards to the steaming, its not a concern of mine really, it will be nice to have, but my main focus is the shot itself, i'm a ristretto guy, that being said does that change or add any machine to consideration?
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Posted Wed Dec 4, 2013, 5:51am
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

ristrettopuller Said:

BDL thank you for the advice!!! in regards to the steaming, its not a concern of mine really, it will be nice to have, but my main focus is the shot itself, i'm a ristretto guy, that being said does that change or add any machine to consideration?

Posted December 3, 2013 link

I can't speak to the QM or Lelit from first hand experience as I would just be regurgitating marketing material.

However based on first hand, "real life" use  case  and later scace testing later I would not choose a CC1 for drinking straight shots. Granted it was just one example of the CC1. IMO the CC1 is better suited for milk drinks for an individual or family setting. I never tried to steam in my big jugs (watch it, no man boob jokes!) but it handled my 12 and 16 oz and was a very forgiving. By no means would it be as quick as an HX or DB especially for entertaining several folks at dinner party but but that is hardly fair.

Push come to shove and wanting to drink straight shots, I would use my press pot and save my nickels for an HX or DB.

 
Yes I put the BDB and CC1 in the same class, yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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Posted Wed Dec 4, 2013, 4:06pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

boar_d_laze Said:

Crossland CC1 v1.5 and QM Silvano are similar in a great many ways.  I've never compared them side by side, but imagine it would be hard to pick one over the other based on quality in the cup or ease of use.

BDL

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I have...

jwoodyu Said:

Push come to shove and wanting to drink straight shots, I would use my press pot and save my nickels for an HX or DB.

Posted December 4, 2013 link

How many DB's out there have a 0.7 liter brew boiler?

The Silvano is a dead simple machine to operate - I remarked in the past that it was almost boring compared to my previous crop of SBDU's when aiming for consistency.

Will it pull a ristretto? Yes it will...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Wed Dec 4, 2013, 5:33pm
Subject: Re: QUICKMILL SILVANO vs. LELIT PL041QE (PID) vs. CROSSLAND CC1???
 

EricBNC Said:

I have...

Posted December 4, 2013 link

You've got a Silvano, so presumably you like it better than the CC1.  Tell us about it.  

BDL
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