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abko
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 9:29pm
Subject: Machine Buying Help
 

Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new here and looking to buy my first espresso machine, grinder, and accessories, the works. I have a budget of $400-500 total. I know it's not a lot.

1) I want to make Americanos (so I would like a machine with a hot water spout)
2) On average I'll be making 1 drink at a time
3) I'll be making 7-14 drinks in a given week
4) I want a machine with its own reservoir
5) I have a standard circuit available
6) My budget is $400-500 for the works
7) I'm willing to buy used but looking to buy new
8) I have no accessories and need guidance on which ones to buy

What do you recommend? Where do you recommend getting it? Why?

Thanks in advance and please let me know if I can provide any more information that would be helpful.
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:32pm
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Are you in Victoria B. C. ?

If so our Canadian members would be most helpful in directing you.

Sky
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Burner0000
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 7:07am
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Welcome to CG Alyson!

I live in Canada and have bought from espressotec.com. They are located in Richmond B.C. :)  Out of all of the Canada online shops they have the best stock, parts everything.  Prices are good too.

To help you out with a machine.. First off for a really good solid machine, grinder and accessories $500 won't cut it.. If your willing to mod a bit you could get a hand grinder and an alright machine or an awesome grinder with an entry level machine.  

  1. Entry machine w/ good grinder Saeco Poemia + Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
  2. Good machine w/ hand grinder Gaggia Color + Hario Skerton

Both would require a bid of modification for good results.


You can hunt around for a good used setup well withing your budget but off the shelf you would need $600-$1000 for a new solid set up.
If you are able to push your funds that high I would recommend this deal from Zcafe.
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 7:17am
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For example you can find anything used for a great deal!

Gaggia Classic + Commercial Faema MPN espresso grinder!  Both total $375 if the sellers are willing to ship.  Buying used can be a bit scary but a grinder like that would never have to be upgraded again.  

Hope all this helps. :)  PS I deal hunt almost daily.  If you can't find anything down the road I may be able to hunt something down.
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 8:43am
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Welcome to CG!

While the hot water spout is nice to have, the water coming out of it is way too hot for drinks...and best used to heat cups. Most of us flush the group after the shot and then use the group to fill the cup for an americano. The drink will be close to 200F, but that's a lot better than if you take water close to 250F from the hot water wand. Of course, if you choose a SBDU machine, then you can use the steam wand to dispense hot water without ever heating the boiler enough for steam (but then, that would be a machine without a hot water wand).

 
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Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
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abko
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 2:22pm
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Hi All, thanks for your feedback to far. I definitely can't spend over $500. $500 is really pushing it as it is. I'm looking at the Gaggia Colour right now. Can anyone recommend a decent grinder for making americanos that won't break the bank? Any other suggestions for machines?  I'm a little nervous buying used.
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 2:29pm
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It doesn't matter as much about the type of espresso drink you are making  as much as the machine. I would spend all my budget on a grinder and do French press or do the hand grinder and seaco aroma refurbished or gaggia classic.

 
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 3:34pm
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Can I get away with a $40 hand grinder? I don't mind manually grinding. I just want to be able to make a decent americano. It doesn't have to be the best, just decent.
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Posted Thu Nov 21, 2013, 4:54pm
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abko Said:

Can I get away with a $40 hand grinder? I don't mind manually grinding. I just want to be able to make a decent americano. It doesn't have to be the best, just decent.

Posted November 21, 2013 link

Yeh a Hario Slim or Skerton with the nylock nut mod to make stepless will be fine to start out with, think the Skerton was a #8 nylock, and I think the mini was a #6?
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Posted Fri Nov 22, 2013, 6:25am
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Yep, I modded my Hario Slim with an M6 . But my uderstanding is the Skerton is different and requires an M8.
Burner0000, a member here, knows a lot about this.
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