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Posted Tue Nov 19, 2013, 5:39am
Subject: QM Silvano or Breville Dual Boiler
 

Hi,

Im a newbie int the world of semi-auto machine.  I have multiple Saeco automatic machine but now ready to buy the real espresso maker.  

I hesitate between the QM Silvano or the BDB, I really cant seam to choose wich one to order, can some of you please help me?

Also do you think its better to invest more and juste get the Qm67?

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Posted Tue Nov 19, 2013, 6:01am
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Honestly right off the bat if your willing to front the cash for a "Real machine" like the QM67 then go for it.  We all get the espresso upgrade bug from time to time but If I had the cash I'd go big.  Something like the QM67 will serve you years longer over the Breville and Possibly even the Silvano. The E61 grouphead and larger boilers will give you more stable heat when brewing too.
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Posted Tue Nov 19, 2013, 7:06am
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I will echo the above. If you have the budget, leave the home machines behind, specifically, Breville. On paper it looks like a great value, however in practice, they have had a very poor track record when it comes to quality. Some people here are on their 4th machine under warranty, that is not a comforting position to be in when the warranty expires.

There are quality machines in both HX and DB in your price range. Both can produce excellent espresso and milk drinks, they operate slightly different but the results in the cup is the same. The HX is a little more hands on than a DB is and as such, it is able to more quickly respond to a desired change in temp if you wish to make one, however, it requires more skill and practice on your part to reach it's max potential. A DB on the other hand, is more of a cruse liner, very stable and linear but slow to change course. Neither is "better" than the other, it comes down to how you want to operate and what your needs are.

If you like to change coffees on the bar, and jump from one to another, the HX may be a little better suited for you as you can adjust the brew temp a few degrees on the fly from the nominal set point of the machines operation.

If you just want to walk up and make espresso, using the same coffee most of the time, a DB may be better suited. While it is very stable temp wise, it is slow to change to a different temp. This is by design and it is not as FAST as changing the number on the PID, the whole machine needs to adjust to the new set temp, not just the boiler. On the other hand, once set and the machine is to temp, you really don't need to think about temp control much.

Both machines will require a flush, the HX to clear over temp water from the brew system and the DB to warm the group as they tend to run a little cool esp in the not designed for commercial service machines that do not have actively heated brew groups.

Add to that the fact that ALL machines need a flush to clear spent grounds from the group head after brewing so regardless of the machine, you will be flushing.

Regardless of the machine, you will need a great grinder designed for espresso for any machine out of the starter class to reach their max potential. Fresh, less than two weeks from the day they were roasted are also mandatory, this will most likely mandate you order online unless you have a great ROASTER in your town.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 19, 2013, 3:10pm
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Burner0000 Said:

Honestly right off the bat if your willing to front the cash for a "Real machine" like the QM67 then go for it.  We all get the espresso upgrade bug from time to time but If I had the cash I'd go big.  Something like the QM67 will serve you years longer over the Breville and Possibly even the Silvano. The E61 grouphead and larger boilers will give you more stable heat when brewing too.

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The Silvano has a 23 oz brass boiler and PID temp control for that large mass sitting on top of the group - it's pretty stable...

 
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