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OilyEspresso
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Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 2:34am
Subject: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

Alright, two good options have come up in my quest for a good home/commercial machine.

  1. Nuova Simonelli Mac Cup (Asking 1k)

- haven't seen it, but it's a semi-auto with touch pad and volumetric espresso flow rate, owned by a reputable espresso shop.

  1. Nuova Simonelli Mac w/ table and water filtration system. (Asking 2K)

- A no frills semi-auto with an on/off switch and also has been meticulously maintained, comes with the water filtration system and a table to put it on.

A few worries:

If I get the Mac Cup which appears to be newer, what are my chances of finding parts for it if the touch-pad or electronics break? Are they asking too much for the no-frills mac?
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 6:49am
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

Nuova Simonelli Mac Cup
Is an automatic machine,  not a semi auto with volumetric. Volumetric dosing makes it an automatic.
Some parts are already not available. They are some machine specific parts such as drain cups etc, some plumbing parts too are discontinued but likely can be rebuilt with a little know how. Machine specific parts from any out of production will be hard to get but for the most part, if they are still working, more likely than not, you should be OK.

Nuova Simonelli Mac
In a nutshell, see above.

A filtration system is not work $1K, a table is $100 at Ikea.

In good working order, $1K is a lot of money but OK for retail - used market.
If either machine needs work, before putting it into service cut the price in half or $500 MAX.

Who owns the machines? How did you learn about them? Have you checked Restaurant supply business for used equipment, that is working and carries a guarantee for the same ball park price range?

 
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OilyEspresso
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Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 8:52am
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

Who owns the machines?

The Mac auto is owned by a very reputable local coffee house and has been serviced by one as well.

How did you learn about them?

Craigslist... In AK, single group espresso machines seem to come on the market rarely IMHO, but they don't sell super fast either.

Have you checked Restaurant supply business for used equipment, that is working and carries a guarantee for the same ball park price range?

Both the these machines were regularly maintained by the two best coffee franchises in the area. I don't know where to look for Resturant suppliers, but I like the idea.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:03am
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

Why is the coffee house selling the machine, I guess it is possible that it is excess to operations but ??
Craigs list does have some deals but you need to know what you are looking at. I have found some great deals on CL. Then again, I have seen some people who thought they had gold.

My valuation of the machines is perhaps a bit different than the situation you are in. I am near L.A. Cal, there are LOTS of machines for sale, the vast majority of them are steam toys, very low end starter / department store machines and are not worth anything and then sometimes good stuff shows up.

Start with the phone book and look in the restaurant supply section, nearly any town of a reasonable size will have at least one dealer who buys bankrupt stores, coffee houseses etc then resells the equipment.

In the end, it is really up to you what you think it is worth, I have never paid $1K for a machine and I have had some nice ones but then again, my market is different.

I have had the normal progression of equipment starting with steam toys, then into the Krupps etc, Oscar and then my ECM and now my La Cimballi M32 Bistro. I can say without a doubt the nicer the equipment is, the easier it is to be very consistent and produce excellent espresso.

Having had the machines I have had and if I were to be starting again in a new location and had limited machines to choose from, my sights would be set on commercial gear and I would pay what is required to get it. I have a Sylvia with PID that I rebuilt and while it does exactly what it was designed to do and does it well, after having had very good machines, (no offense to ANYONE ) it feels like a toy and is really fussy to use, even with the PID.

Commercial machines are really pretty stout, if the $1K machine is operating properly and you can test it out, it would be worth the money. I am pretty cheep though and would offer them $750 and see what happens, the worst is that I would have to eat a little crow and pay them the asking price. Service is important to the equipment and if it was well taken care of, that is worth a bit. Most parts are pretty interchangable though, well the ones that will tend to break are anyway.

Do remember that you can run a plumb in machine on a water bottle and a pump so you are not limited to the water that comes out of the tap if you do not want to do a whole water filtration system at the moment. A pump is around $100 give or take and a water bottle is 10.

 
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Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:09am
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

FWIW Nuova Simonelli's US storefront here in Seattle (their only retail presence) warned me the Mac line is getting harder and harder to source new parts for. They are good machines, but have since been supplanted by the Appia.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013, 3:04pm
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Which Nuova Should I buy?
 

Yes, time marches on. That is why a good pre sale inspection is mandatory, what you see is what you get, and as you mentioned, there may be a need in the future to be "creative" in repair.

That said though, ALL my machines are no longer being made and I am perfectly comfortable with them. YMMV!

 
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Wayne P.
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