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Nirkunik
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Posted Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:08am
Subject: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

I'm looking for recommendation on SupperAutomatic machine for home use with professional steamer for the milk.
I'm using today Krups EA8080, I'm happy from the quality of the espresso but I'm not happy with the steamer quality. I bought Nespresso steamer but I found that the steaming quality is bad.
Looking for Superautomatic mashing that grind the beans automatically but have steaming ability (power) like Resturant quality.

Thanks,
Nir
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Posted Sun Nov 10, 2013, 3:19am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

Welcome to CoffeeGeek!

Not only is the QuickMill 05009 Monza one of very few superautomatics capable of brewing a decent cup of espresso, but it has a proper steam wand that works independently from the brewing unit, because it has a separate thermoblock. Its brew group being made of metal makes it pretty sturdy, too. However, it comes at a pretty high price.

 
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Posted Sun Nov 10, 2013, 7:52am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

If you're happy with the Nespresso coffee then you just need steam.

The cheapest solution is to have two machines.  In order to get a super-auto which will have "restaurant quality" steam you need to spend a ton of money.  You'll have far better steam for the money if you either buy a standalone steamer or a small (used) HX unit, which you use only for its steaming abilities. The standalone steamers seem a bit over the top so my suggestion would be to buy a smaller (used) HX unit.

As an added bonus, you'll be able to experiment with fresh espresso if you choose, though you won't be obliged to so do.

Not incidentally, if you like the Nespresso coffee then you may be equally happy (or even happier) with a SBDU or machine that will handle ESE espresso pods.  If you have a machine that can handle them and if you're heating it up anyway for "restaurant quality" steam, then the ESE pods would deliver a similar level of convenience, and probably better taste, and certainly a much lower cost.  I think that the older Pasquini Livia 90s were in that category.   at that point you would be able to sell the Nespresso if you chose.
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Posted Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:51am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

erik_hammarlund Said:

If you're happy with the Nespresso coffee then you just need steam.

Posted November 10, 2013 link

If I understand correctly, Nir only has a Nespresso milk frother like the Aeroccino 3, which doesn't produce the kind of microfoam you need, but rather something with the texture of polyurethane foam, in combination with a Krups EA8080 superautomatic machine.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:36am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

Right.

1) He's got a Nespresso, which produces coffee that he apparently likes.  

2) He wants steam.

3) So IMO, he should post in the "BUY/SELL" forum looking for a decently sized machine that has problems with brewing (whether it's a cracked grouphead, or a dead solenoid and brew switch, or too much temp variation, or something else.) Any of those machines will steam like crazy compared to what he has now.  They'd probably be a HX machine, unless there's a cranking SBDU steamer out there.  Or he should buy a new unit.


As an example for why this makes sense: the super auto mentioned in the first post costs about two grand and STILL doesn't have a "restaurant quality" steamer.  but an Expobar Office Pulser costs about $1100 brand new and has a 1.8 liter boiler and will steam like crazy compared to what he has now.... and as an added bonus, the steamer comes with a high quality espresso machine attached ;)

Or, he can spend $400 and but a used NS Mac 2000 (http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/649268), or a livia 90 (http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/648456), both of which are apparently broken in the espresso department but which might steam perfectly well.
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Posted Tue Nov 12, 2013, 11:32am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

Hi Guys,
Thanks for your answer.
Please let me be more specific with my request.
  1. I'm not looking for cheap solution but the BEST available for home use.
  2. I'm happy with my Krups machine.
  3. I'm not happy with the steam capabilities of the krups and NOT with the Nespresso steamer.
  4. I'm looking for recommendation equivalent to Quickmill 05008.

Is there any other options within this price range better option compare to Quickmill  Monza?

Thanks in advance,
Nir
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Posted Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:48pm
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

What's your budget?

 
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Posted Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:53pm
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Up to $3,000
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Posted Fri Nov 15, 2013, 1:43am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

Hi Nirkunik,
I want to correct some previous info about  the Quick Mill 05008 Monza, it has a 1,4 lt. copper boiler with a 1400/1500W heater, not a thermoblock, it's a HX fully auto, the standard version has the auto milk frother but only the hot water wand.
The 05010 Monza should be the model which could match with your need, 1,4 lt HX copper boiler 1400/1500W heater,auto milk frother plus commercial steam wand, the machine can be plumbed and connect to a drain pipe, like a classic commercial machine.
However in the fully auto scenario there are a lot of choice and maybe you should to consider even for  warranty or after sale service as well, that a local distributor can grant.
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NobbyR
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Posted Fri Nov 15, 2013, 4:15am
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on super automatic machine with professional steamer
 

Giampiero Said:

I want to correct some previous info about  the Quick Mill 05008 Monza, it has a 1,4 lt. copper boiler with a 1400/1500W heater, not a thermoblock, it's a HX fully auto, (...)

Posted November 15, 2013 link

Sorry, I was referring to the QuickMill 05009, not the 05008, which is indeed an HX. The photo shows a look at the twin thermoblocks inside the 05009 Monza. But both machines would suit fine here.

NobbyR: Monza Thermoblocks.jpg

 
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