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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:04am
Subject: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

Looking for my first real quality machine. I'll be upgrading from a $50 home coffee machine. I love good espresso but I don't know how to pull a good shot on my own. I was thinking something like this breville bes840xl would be a good place to start untill I get my skill up enough to upgrade to a real quality one. What do you guys think about this deal?
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:56am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

NO, don't do it.
The infuser is the lowest of the low.
Breville is a home appliance maker, not a quality espresso maker.
Thermoblocks are the LOWEST rung of the ladder that is able to actually brew espresso.

At that price a lelit PL041 costs LESS than the list price for the Breville but about $75 more than your quote and it is a REAL espresso machine, one that you can learn and grow with for a while.
Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

Don't forget that you will need a grinder that is able to grind for espresso.
Powered, they start at about $300 and if you don't mind turning a crank good ones can be had under $100

 
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:59am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

Both have been discussed here before.  If you have problems with the search feature then try a site restricted Google search:
BES840XL on CoffeeGeek
BCG800XL on CoffeeGeek
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:23am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

Thanks for the advice. I know it's not the best but this deal does come with a grinder so I thought maybe it would be a good place to start but I suppose I'll keep looking.  

I can site search just fine. I interested in opinions on this specific deal.

Thanks guys
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 6:28pm
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

I haven't used either one, but of the two I would choose the 840 - I think the thermo-coil design is an intriguing piece of technology.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

I think this is a pretty good deal. Of the two, the BCG800 is the weak part, however, it will grind OK for espresso.

I think the 840 is a brilliant concept, and seems to work well. I have never used one but it seems like one of those "elegant" solutions. It seems to fix the problems with thermo blocks and is very well thought out as a consumer oriented espresso machine. $350 for both is a good deal.
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 6:58am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

If I had money to burn, I might buy the thermoblock, however I already have a thermoblock and it is worth more as parts than as an espresso making device. OK they changed the shape and put a PID on it but honestly it may help a little but it is still a poor design.

If money is really that tight, look in Craigs list etc, there are machines there all the time at $100 or so then spend the rest of your budget on a good grinder. YMMV!

OK, your local craigslist is running more expensive than here but take a look.
http://austin.craigslist.org/app/4089506004.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/hsh/4114825576.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/app/4105419967.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/bfd/4147391604.html
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/hsh/4155429586.html
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/fuo/4145730267.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/app/4087555215.html

and it goes on and on. All are better than the Breville

 
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 8:02am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

Does anyone have actual data from a PID thermoblock (vs generalizations from a non-PID one)?  ZPM is trying it although I haven't seen any thermobasket results from it yet.
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 9:04am
Subject: Re: Is Breville BES840XL and BCG800XL for $350 a good deal?
 

jonr Said:

Does anyone have actual data from a PID thermoblock (vs generalizations from a non-PID one)?  ZPM is trying it although I haven't seen any thermobasket results from it yet.

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You want actual factual data, to raise the thermoblock signal to noise here? Me too. If you find it, please share.

I have no idea what is in the Breville, but ironic that a well designed thermoblock is an ideal solution for stable accurate espresso brew temps.

The answer is the same if you don't like tomatoes; you just never had a good one.

The thermoblock volume should be large enough to supply a full double (not likely in the brevelle), then allowed to recover for the next shot.  (really a minimal requirement, easy to achieve) Active temperature control can meter water volume to be heated/compensated to minimise recovery time. Then directly/thermally attached to the brew group to minimize offset.

With the bad rap and poor/cheap designs in most current and prior machines,  it would be hard to overcome the negative sentiment. Why would a manufacturer even try?

An Hx 'water heater' is really a form of thermoblock, but one with a fixed setpoint (250F +- boiler temperature.)
......Easy enough to beat that with active temperature control.
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