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GeorgeWaters
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 9:08pm
Subject: Unused espresso machine
 

My grandfather is a bankruptcy trustee and takes over and runs small businesses that have gone under. As part of one of these, he has a Breville BES900XL that has been sitting unused for who knows how long. He asked me if I could take a look at it - it looks like brand new (never used) on the outside. Any thoughts on what it might take to put it into service, or what might be wrong with it after sitting on a store shelf for several months if not longer? He's asked me to put a fair price on it, or to buy it myself if I'm interested (which I kind of am). Thanks!
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 6:53am
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A google search shows them at $1100 average price, new.

Breville is a home appliance maker, not known for quality espresso machines.
I would not have one at any price but that is me, I am interested in high quality espresso.

We have a few members who are Breville lovers, more power to them. The BDB has a rep of poor quality. Some members have had NO problems with them, on the other hand a lot are on the second, third or even fourth under warranty so YMMV.

A QUALITY grinder is MANDATORY for espresso, a starter grinder with a motor starts in the $300 range while reasonable grinders are around $500 and a lot of us have grinders at $1K+

Hand grinding can be done and you can get an acceptable espresso grind for under $100 if you do the turning work yourself.

A grinder is MORE important than the machine so do not even think about skimping on the grinder.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 6:56am
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Let's assume the machine is in prime working order.  Considering it costs $1200 new, would your grandfather be comfortable charging you $800 for it? Are you comfortable giving him fair market value?
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 9:25am
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calblacksmith Said:

I am interested in high quality espresso.

The BDB has a rep of poor quality.

Posted October 24, 2013 link

The bdb has a rep of extremely high quality espresso, but that many of their machines have had problems. You shouldn't be so general in your comments.

The bdb can be a great machine if it works. I wouldn't pay more than half of new if it was out of warranty, and that would be after seeing that everything did in fact work.
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:01am
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Doug, please do not correct me and I will not correct you, deal?

NO, I said what I meant to say.

I would not pay half of the list price for a new in the box one. In fact, like I said, I would not have one at all. Not even to sell as my morals will not let me sell something to someone that I know to be faulty and of poor quality.

I DID say that there were people that have had good luck with them, I feel that it is LUCK and nothing more. That is as much of a positive statement about it as I can give.

 
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GeorgeWaters
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 1:10pm
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crazy4espresso Said:

Let's assume the machine is in prime working order.  Considering it costs $1200 new, would your grandfather be comfortable charging you $800 for it? Are you comfortable giving him fair market value?

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That's the question I'm trying to suss out. I really like the machine, but I'm not sure what sort of condition it is in after having sat unused for at least months. I'd be comfortable giving him fair market value if I had a sense of what (if any) repairs I would have to put into it to get it into service. Will it just be as easy as firing up a brand new one out of the box? Is there any way of hazarding a guess about that?
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 1:47pm
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I am a BDB fanboy, but even after 16 mths trouble free I wouldn't buy one without a warranty. Woot sold some refurbs a while back at 699, so I'd pay no more than that for the machine in question, and probably no more than 500 unless there was a warranty.

Breville has been exceptional about standing behind the machine, but I wouldn't blame any manufacturer for denying coverage on a machine of unknown origin in the retail market.

FWIW, the issues with the machine would have nothing to do with it siting idle-there have been some firmware bugs, and the o ring seals in the 3 way are a known weak point, and some users report issues with the hot water valve leaking.. The latest machines have upgrades to fix some of the weak points, but if yours has been sitting its likely a version A and maybe an early one at that.
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GeorgeWaters
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 2:24pm
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greglepore Said:

FWIW, the issues with the machine would have nothing to do with it siting idle-there have been some firmware bugs, and the o ring seals in the 3 way are a known weak point, and some users report issues with the hot water valve leaking.. The latest machines have upgrades to fix some of the weak points, but if yours has been sitting its likely a version A and maybe an early one at that.

Posted October 24, 2013 link

Thank you. Good to know about the upgrades, that is not something I thought of. So I shouldn't be worried about the gaskets being dried out, or the O rings? or something else having degraded while the machine sat?
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 2:51pm
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Does the bdb not have a shot counter?  I seem to recall a number of people posting the  number of shots they have pulled on their machine.  maybe you can find an online manual that shows how to pull this number up so you can see how much use it has had.

Edit: found it

With the power cord plugged IN & turned ON at the wall socket.
Machine OFF
Press & hold IN all four buttons simultaneously, Menu, Arrow Down, Arrow Up, Exit. While holding them all down, press the Power button
The LCD will now be in the Service Mode
There will be a single, double or even triple digit displayed. This is the number of shots over 7 secs, divided by 10. So if you had 12 on the LCD, this would mean you have pulled 120 shots longer than 7 secs.
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LJSquishy
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Unused espresso machine
 

I just purchased a brand new one so I can't comment on long-term durability, but so far (only 2 weeks in) I love it. I will, however, be purchasing a Squaretrade warranty for it to be on the safe side. I only paid about $850 or so for it new after various discounts/cashback so for the machine you're asking about, I personally wouldn't want to pay more than $500 or so since you don't know it's entire history.

Every 200 shots the machine asks you to clean it with a little cleaning tablet so I wouldn't worry too much about what could be wrong with it. After about 5 years of normal use, it will ask you to send it into Breville for descaling. There are also inexpensive water filters you use (about $10/year). I would test out the machine before committing to buying it, but it probably works just fine. If you have any issues with it, I've heard Breville's customer service is pretty great with helping you even if it's out of warranty.
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