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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 4:04pm
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hey everyone im looking at this machine here and i think the http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/titanium.cfm
and the portafilter is internal. how does one make an authentic cuban espresso where the sugar is added to the portafilter with these machines?
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 4:42pm
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Unfortunately you will not get authentic espresso of any kind from that machine.  Super autos don't produce authentic espresso because it is not the typical 25 seconds of 9 bar pressure through a puck of ground and tamped coffee.  What a super auto produces is much more like what comes out of a pressurized portafilter.  If you want a super auto and sugar in the brewing process I suppose that you could put some in the bean hopper but that might damage the machine and gunk everything up.
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 4:48pm
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thanks for the reply, im a complete newbie here im not even a coffee drinker im trying to open an ice cream shop and i want a respectable espresso menu. is there a machine you would suggest. this one caught my eye for ease of use and price, im open to price if its worth it but of course value is always a priority but not at the expense of quality
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 4:57pm
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Unfortunately I don't think that machine is commercial rated and it would not hold up for what you need.  You really would need to spend several thousand dollars to get a super auto that would meet your desires.  This site is really more focused on higher quality coffee than what you want (I think).  How many drinks per day are you looking to make (a range is fine)?
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 5:01pm
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im going to guess now but ill say 75 its primarily an ice cream shop but if the coffee is good we might get a coffee crowd theres a starbucks just a minute walk away but im not sure people go to starbucks for good coffee but if someone did try to get a decent coffee maybe theyd come to me since i plan on upping the ante a bit
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 5:33pm
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maybe in the beginning less but i think 75 is a benchmark goal for me. i dont understand your criticism of super automated is it really impossible to make high quality espresso with super automated?
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 5:42pm
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og5744 Said:

hey everyone im looking at this machine here and i think the http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/titanium.cfm
and the portafilter is internal. how does one make an authentic cuban espresso where the sugar is added to the portafilter with these machines?

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You may find that a simple moka pot will work for what you want.  I make Bustelo (a nickname for the cuban moka + whipped sugar concoction) all the time now with my moka pot and it comes out fantastic.  It is like what the cuban street vendors serve in parts of Florida.  Check out youtube for making it under search term "bustelo".

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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 5:54pm
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

You may find that a simple moka pot will work for what you want.  I make Bustelo (a nickname for the cuban moka + whipped sugar concoction) all the time now with my moka pot and it comes out fantastic.  It is like what the cuban street vendors serve in parts of Florida.  Check out youtube for making it under search term "bustelo".

Len

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Len, did you notice that he is wanting to use this machine in a commercial setting. I think that he wants to have a full espresso menu at his ice cream shop.
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 5:59pm
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og5744 Said:

maybe in the beginning less but i think 75 is a benchmark goal for me. i dont understand your criticism of super automated is it really impossible to make high quality espresso with super automated?

Posted October 23, 2013 link

A super auto is not going to produce good espresso. I wouldn't ever order a coffee from one unless there were unusual circumstances. I think most in this community will agree with me. As far as producing something better than Charbucks, that shouldn't be too hard but you will want a commercial semi auto or full auto and a good grinder. For your size shop you should budget around $3,500 (or more) for machine and grinder.
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 6:37pm
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the mocha pot is interesting... street venders use this? how does it rate against a high end machine in terms of espresso quality?
also do u guy have any suggestions for an ideal setup for me? espresso quality being foremost then ease of use and reliability
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