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LeBiochimiste
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 8:29am
Subject: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

Hi,

I have the opportunity to get a Breville 800ESXL for free via credit card points. However I am not convinced that it would be a good choice for an espresso machine. My choice would have leaned more toward a Rancilio Silva.

Should I get the free Breville, or wait, pile up some cash and get the Rancilio Silva?

Thanks for the help!
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 8:38am
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

Welcome to the board :D


WELLLLLLLLLLLLL,

In my never to be too humble opinion, buy a machine. Sylvia is a solid machine but a bit pricey for what you get in todays standards, Please read the stickey at the top of this forum, at least the part where we ask questions to get you started down the right track.

You WILL also need to budget for a grinder,at the entry level plan to spend as much on the grinder (or more) than you will on the machine, the grinder REALLY IS that important, more so than the machine!

 
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LeBiochimiste
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 8:47am
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go check the stickey.

I got a grinder already. Probably not the best (Breville Smart Grinder #BCG800XL), but again it was a freebie via credit card points. Was tempting to not get something else. And seems to do a decent job for my French press so far. Now I want to get more serious. Hopefully it will do the job to get started.
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 8:56am
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

To save cash I'd get the Breville but also get single wall filters. They only come with dual wall (pressurized) baskets.  Then invest your money in a good grinder.  The duo temp (BES800ESXL) is a thermoblock which isn't the greatest for steam power but should give good temp stability.  For free I'd go for it!

Coming from a Silvia owner.  It's a great machine. Better than the duo temp in every way but the duo with the filters isn't that bad off.

Update: The smart grinder wont do well for espresso.  Something espresso only would do better like a Mazzer, Macap, Baratza, Ascaso I mini/steel.
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:17am
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

Have you ever had an espresso machine? Have you ever made espresso at home?
First, as stated, grinder, grinder, grinder.

My suggestions:
1 - If there is nothing else you can get with your credit card points, get the Breville and sell it as new in box, sealed, etc.
- or -
2 - Get the Breville and sink whatever you can into a grinder, BUT ask her before doing anything as a decent grinder will likely cost you more than you think. If you like the espresso you are making, and bought the right grinder to begin with, later sell teh breville for what you can and get another espresso machine.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

LeBiochimiste Said:

I got a grinder already. Probably not the best (Breville Smart Grinder #BCG800XL)

Posted October 22, 2013 link

I don't have any experience with it but comments tend to indicate that it's not suited for espresso.  Without a good grinder you will just be wasting your time and money.
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

In the $200 range, the Breville Smart is an excellent grinder for French Press; as are the Baratza Virtuoso, and the hand-cranked Orphan Espresso Lido.  What makes those three so good for the purpose is the consistency of the grind size -- a "uni-modal" grind with almost no "fines."  You have to spend a fair amount of money (Baratza Vario with Ditting burrs) to do a little better; and a lot of money before making a really noticeable, positive difference "in the cup."

On the other hand, good espresso grinders produced a range of sizes (multi-modal) at a given setting.  For this reason, and because the Smart (or Virtuoso and Lido for that matter) don't offer much fine control at espresso sizes, they aren't suitable for serious espresso making.  

To be clear, by "serious," I mean the ability to manipulate the espresso's flavor profile by adjusting grind.  

The Breville 800 has been around for some time, is a well known quantity, and is generally not regarded as good enough for serious espresso making.   If you actually want good coffee as much as you want to use your credit card points, I suggest passing on the 800.  

Rocky, like other SBDUs (single boiler dual use machines), is obsolete; a design whose time is well passed.  You can do much better for the money.  

Which brings us back to "serious."  Like grinders, espresso machines have to clear a few hurdles so the user can consistently avoid the worst aspects of poorly brewed espresso.  In the case of the machine, it's mostly about consistent and repeatable control of temperature; but there are other factors, e.g., pressure and flow, as well.  

The least expensive, adequate, new equipment setup is probably the Crossland CC1 "v1.5" (in other words don't buy used or NOS), which runs about $700; and a Baratza Preciso which costs around $300.  

That said, I recommend skipping adequacy in favor of "goodness" and spending more on the grinder -- and if possible the espresso machine as well.  By way of a couple of examples, $1600ish for a Breville Double Boiler or Nuova Simonelli Oscar plus a Baratza Vario will buy very nice setup.  

In my opinion -- and it's just an opinion mind you -- really good French press is better than bad espresso -- and I really love espresso.  The biggest bang for the buck investment you can make in better coffee is probably buying an Espro press.  They really are hugely better than other presses.

If you're interested we can delve deeper into the specifics of grinders, espresso machines, presses, or whatever.

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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

Do all you can to avoid the Breville 800 ESXL it isnt a real machine and will only prolong your journey if not out right cause you enough frustration
to simply abandon the journey all together.
I was there many years ago.
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 7:05pm
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

I think getting the free Breville and selling it to subsidize (part of) the price of the Rancilio Silva seems to be the best option. Thanks!
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 3:14pm
Subject: Re: Free Breville 800ESXL or buy Rancilio Silva
 

LeBiochimiste Said:

I think getting the free Breville and selling it to subsidize (part of) the price of the Rancilio Silva seems to be the best option.

Posted October 22, 2013 link

Silvia hasn't been the best option for years.  Save yourself a lot of grief, buy something else; for instance a Crossland CC1 v1.5.

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