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VanHlebar
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Joined: 20 Aug 2005
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Location: Cincinnati, OH
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Brataza Vario
Roaster: Bohemor 1600
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 7:05am
Subject: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

So I have been roasting my own beans and using a Gaggia Classic machine with my Brataza Vario grinder now for somewhere around 5 or 6 years. I am at a point where I am starting to consider upgrading one of my machines. I currently pull two shots each morning for myself and maybe another 1-2 the evening. Ideally if I upgraded the espresso machine I would like something that could be left on pretty much all the time. I can't plumb the machine into a water line or drain area based on the location. For a budget, if I upgrade either I am looking at around $1,000 - $1,500.

So any suggestions? I have just now started to poke around the site and looking at the various reviews of espresso machines, but I haven't really started any "real" research just yet. :)

Thanks,
-Eric
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Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 8:48am
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

To be left on for long periods, the machine should have a self filling boiler. This means you are looking at either a HX or DB machine. Pump style (rotary or vibe) is not an issue concerning auto fill.

Any pour over HX will easily fill your need.

HX and DB both can make outstanding espresso, depending on your prep, grind and beans age (I see you roast so the last item should not be an issue!)

Used equipment will get you further up the scale and we often have very nice machines in your price range on the BST board.

There is nothing wrong with new either! If no one ever bought a new machine, there would never be used ones to buy or sell! So what is your preference?

For example, this just came up for sale.
" FS: QM Vetrano w/upgrades - Canada"

 
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VanHlebar
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Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Brataza Vario
Roaster: Bohemor 1600
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 9:55am
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

calblacksmith Said:

To be left on for long periods, the machine should have a self filling boiler. This means you are looking at either a HX or DB machine. Pump style (rotary or vibe) is not an issue concerning auto fill.

Any pour over HX will easily fill your need.

Posted October 22, 2013 link

So are you saying it needs to be plumbed in then? If so then I guess my fall back is a timer on the machine as I am not sure I want or can put holes in the granite counter top..not sure she would be very happy with that option. :)

HX and DB both can make outstanding espresso, depending on your prep, grind and beans age (I see you roast so the last item should not be an issue!)

Used equipment will get you further up the scale and we often have very nice machines in your price range on the BST board.

There is nothing wrong with new either! If no one ever bought a new machine, there would never be used ones to buy or sell! So what is your preference?

For example, this just came up for sale.
" FS: QM Vetrano w/upgrades - Canada"

Nope freshness of the beans are not an issue, roast 1-2 times per week. Bigger "limiter" would be the barista. :) As for new or used, I would lean more towards new, only because I am not the most handy guy in the world so if it breaks I have a problem. My friends joke that I don't know the different between a phillips head or flat head screwdriver nor do I know which end to even use...they are only part wrong. :)

So given the fact that the grinder is about 5 years old should it suffice still? I know when I bought it and did research way back when it was the best I could afford at the time.

Thanks again for the pointers.
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calblacksmith
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:02am
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

The grinder, while the burrs may still be good depending on how much use it has had, well, you will want to upgrade it to get the most out of these espresso machines, it will work for now but possibly for a Christmas or Birthday look to upgrade the grinder :D


No, pourover pour over, whatever LOL, means that you pour water into a tank built into the machine, these are stand alone machines and do not need to be plumbed into the house water system (plumb in)

That is not to say that a plumb in machine can not be use and not connected to the house. It is very common to use a plumb in machine from a water bottle and a pump then drain into another bottle. While my water is plumbed into the home, my drain is into a bottle because of where the machine is located.

Some of these bump over the limit a smidge and some are plumb in (direct connect) but I put them in here to show what is in your price range.

OK, new, from 1 to 1.5 K or $$ priced machines (as opposed to $$$ or $$$$ or even $$$$$!)
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:07am
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

Mod note:
Moved to Espresso machines.

 
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VanHlebar
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Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Brataza Vario
Roaster: Bohemor 1600
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:54am
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

Thanks for the links I greatly appreciate them and will have to review them this evening when I get home. I saw in the review area a bunch of reviews for Expobar Brewtus, seemed to have gotten great reviews. Looking at them now they have changed and the prices seem to have gone up a bit and would require me to "stretch" a bit for the upgrade. Will have to add that one to the mix you provided. :)

Guess I have lots of reading and comparing to do still before making a jump...the joys of coffee!
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emradguy
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Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4, Pharos,...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

rather than putting holes in your granite, another option is to put holes in the wall above and below the granite, and route your lines that way...just sayin', you can plumb in without ruining your granite if you really want to.

 
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VanHlebar
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Brataza Vario
Roaster: Bohemor 1600
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

Well after trying to work more tonight on my technique I just realized I have a problem with my grinder. The sliders on either side will not stay in place while the grinder is running. After I just realized this I figured out why my shots have been all over the place. If I don't hold them in place, they will drop down further and further while the grinder is running making the grind to coarse.

So I need to see if there is something that I can tighten to fix this OR if this means I am upgrading my grinder instead. I am sort of disappointed as while the grinder itself is about 4yrs old it has not been used significantly until just the past 3 months.
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fnacer
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Espresso: Salvatore E61, Vivaldi Mini...
Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Gaggia MDF,...
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

Wait... I thought the upgrade path went something like Gaggia Classic to Behmor to Quest to Probat Sample. What happened here?
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Thinking of upgrading..looking for suggestions
 

Grinder grinder grinder. Call the company they'll make it right.

 
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