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Rosalin
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 9:45am
Subject: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

Hi--
I really would like to start making espresso and the Gaggia pure looks like a nice machine to start with based on geek reviews.

However, I did notice  a lot of plastic in the machine's design. It looks like the spout of the portafilter is made of plastic but could be easily replaced with a stainless steel spout.

Might any people experienced with the Gaggia Pure (or Gaggia machines in general) know where plastic-water contact occurs in this machine?

Thanks coffee-geek-ers!
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:08am
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

I sincerely hope your question is based on a worry about wear-and-tear or cleaning and not a tired cultural meme of plastic being somehow chemically harmful based upon inconclusive scientific studies. You will not find a single home machine made today that does not have substantial water/plastic contact. The reservoirs, teflon tubing, and even some of the fittings in the ULKA vibratory pumps are made of some kind of plastic. Have no fear and drink up. Salute.
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:20am
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

Not entirely on subject, but I would recommend the Classic, only. Not based on plastic, but features and longevity. In the Gaggia line, mostly/only the Classic is recommended in the forums.  I cannot speak for the reviews.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 3:45pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

It is a little of both, Markarian; if I choke my machine, I don't want it to melt!

I fear you might be right that my non-plastic-contact machine doesn't exist. Even the ROK looks like its water container is plastic. I do hope that someone can prove you wrong, though, all the better if the proof is priced around hte Pure's range.

Thanks D4F. Gaggia does get a lot of praise around here but I did not notice that the pure might be an exception to this until you pointed it out. Unless I'm missing something, I can't even find Gaggia Pure reviews on coffeegeek (which has worried me).

I know that this is a common question on this board, but it appears it is often asked on here by people without grinders. Since I already have my MDF, what's a good espresso machine to go with it in the under $300 range? Used is a no-no for me for a variety of reasons (I know geeks will be apt to recommend hunting down a used Classic or Silvia or something). Is the pure totally out of the question for making good espresso? My 'good', I should note, is a pretty low bar--I'm really just looking to equal/surpass a Starbucks doubleshot quality (and not get a plastic-y taste in the espresso).
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 4:26pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

Don't worry, none of the HOT water ever comes into contact with the plastic, so if you choke your machine it will just sit there, though best to turn it off before it runs too long.

Under $300 new and you already have an MDF? Let me show you this:

Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)

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Get these two, right under $300, and pick yourself up a 53mm Tamper from Amazon here:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

The bottomless portafilter is necessary because the Aroma comes with a pressurized portafilter that fluffs air into the coffee for a fake crema.

Done, and done. You'll have an adorable, tiny, REAL espresso setup at home. The Saeco Aroma/Classico/SIN015 is a fine little machine that has the same 15bar ULKA pump a machine ten times its price will. It won't make the most luxurious latte foam (nothing will under $1000), but it will get by and your shots will far exceed Starbucks if your beans are fresh, your grinder is decent, and your technique is good. I learned on these little Saecos before moving on to more expensive machines, and I still have a couple I've given to friends and family and still pull shots on them.
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

Under/at $300 here, but dealer refurb.  

Click Here (www.wholelattelove.com)

 
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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 6:20pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

D4F--thanks for pointing me to wholelattelove--looks like they have a lot of nice stuff/info. It is a pity that the Classics are out of stock though.

Markarian--thanks for the recommendation. But how exactly is that machine superior to the Pure besides in the exterior shell? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought both had 15 bar pumps? Is a 58mm PF not more desirable than a 53? And isn't the Pure's PF already not pressurized? Perhaps all it needs is chrome spouts? Or are the innards a lot better in the Saeco in other ways? I really like your assurance that at least the Saeco will be better than Starbucks though...

(This probably deserves a separate thread but) I did come across the Rosco espresso devices. Would they produce superior espresso compared to the Pure or Aroma, or even Classic (assuming theyre paired with the MDF or even with their matching Rosco grinder)? I really like the idea of being able to control temperature and even pressure, something that (again please correct me if I'm wrong on this) you can't do with any of the other three machines. And, of course, it looks like the water only touches the brass in their models. I might be willing to splurge on these as they are so portable and might kill a number of birds with one stone for me...
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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:24pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

You could call WLL and ask about when in stock.  I have Holiday sales, and that is not so far away.  The Classic is the only usual Gaggia recommendation.  Most ULKA vibratory pumps in these machines are 15 bar capable.  58mm is normal commercial size and is easiest to replace, find bottomless, and baskets for.

Most single boiler dual use SBDU machines are best with an added PID controller of temperature.  Saeco, Gaggia, Silvia... are all better with PID controller.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:36pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia Pure and Plastic-Water Contact?
 

IMHO, Gaggia classic would be a good starter machine with good support in the on line community and easy to get parts. I would not want one of their cheaper models.  Personally, I would want a CC1 if I had to get a single boiler. But that is over your stated budget.  I realize you don't want to get used but you might consider a CC1 used for your budget as they are $700 new.

 
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