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consenso
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 5:19am
Subject: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

Hi to all, I am Renato from Italy. First of all I m sorry  for my little english, I hope to be good in write what I would. I would like to buy my first espresso machine but there are some "problems":

1) I don't want spend too much money and this is a very big problem.
2) I will make just 1-3 coffees a day and I would like the quality will be near a good espresso I can drink in a cafè. I can say 50% coffees and 50% cappuccino.
3) Cause I like cappuccino I would like to buy a machine let me to have a good steam to make "latte cream" and not just big bubbles.
4) The last one is the biggest. I don't think it's possible to have all the features I wrote spending little money.

The budget is under 1000€.

Now do you think the best configuration spending the less money is: Bacchi Espresso 300€ (for the only coffe) and Bellman CX25S for steam (around 60€)?

Honestly I would like to buy an E61 group Machine just because I like the beauty of these machines, but do you think with my budget is not possible to find a good one?

Another question, what are the specs I have to consider for to understand why a machine costs 1000 instead another one costs 300, for example Gaggia Classic costs 300, Quick Mill SIlvano costs 1000, Lelit PL041 costs 500. They are all with vibration pump, so what are the differences?

I hope you could help me. Thank you to everyone.
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 6:50am
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

For your budget it may be hard to find a new machine with an E61 brew head.  Used maybe.  I'd honestly look into buying used if you want something that includes an E61.  New machines your options are only single boiler's and entry level HX machines.  If your willing to sacrifice not having an E61 then you can get a solid single boiler that will suite your needs.  Do you have a grinder?  

Some good single boiler machines..

Crossland CC1, Rancilio Silvia, Gaggia Classic, Ascaso Dream, Lelit PL41EM, Quick Mill Silvano

Other machines to consider..

HX machines..

Nuova Simonelli Oscar, Quick Mill Alexia, Quick Mill Anita

Dual boiler..
Breville BES900XL Dual Boiler

These are some ideas.  If you don't have an espresso grinder you will need a decent one.
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 8:47am
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

consenso Said:

Honestly I would like to buy an E61 group Machine just because I like the beauty of these machines , but do you think with my budget is not possible to find a good one?

Another question, what are the specs I have to consider for to understand why a machine costs 1000 instead another one costs 300, for example Gaggia Classic costs 300, Quick Mill SIlvano costs 1000, Lelit PL041 costs 500. They are all with vibration pump, so what are the differences?

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Wouldn't we all! Ideally i would like an E61 HX machine for 500 bucks but unfortunately they start around 1700 usd.

Near me gaggia classic and the lelit are around the same price so not sure why you're seeing such a big difference.

The quick mill silvano is a bit of a unique machine "Excellent Temperature Control Quick Mill Silvano has an excellent temperature control with its PID controller. It has a boiler for coffee and a thermo block for steam, each with its own pump." So instead of switching a single boiler from brew/steam it has a boiler dedicated to brewing as well as a thermoblock thats dedicated to steam. If you are looking for high quality lattes you would probably be better off with a single boiler.

I'm also under the impression that the ascaso dream is a thermoblock machine? or does it also have a boiler/thermoblock combo?

Personally im in about the exact same boat finances wise. I think i'm going to try to find a used gaggia classic, and save my pennies to eventually get the machine i would really like. Rather than buying something expensive in the middle and never truly being happy with it. That being said if looks arent super important the nuova oscar might be exactly what you're looking for (minus the e61).
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 8:51am
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

consenso Said:

I will make just 1-3 coffees a day and I would like the quality will be near a good espresso I can drink in a cafè.

Posted October 14, 2013 link

It's not just a matter of the machine but the grinder, the beans and your skill.

What grinder are you thinking of using?

consenso Said:

Honestly I would like to buy an E61 group Machine just because I like the beauty of these machines, but do you think with my budget is not possible to find a good one?

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There are plenty of good machines to choose from.  However, you need to consider all the costs and that's going to include a grinder.

consenso Said:

Another question, what are the specs I have to consider for to understand why a machine costs 1000 instead another one costs 300, for example Gaggia Classic costs 300, Quick Mill SIlvano costs 1000, Lelit PL041 costs 500. They are all with vibration pump, so what are the differences?

Posted October 14, 2013 link

You definitely cannot compare just based on the type of pump.  The specs for each machine are available online to compare.  For me to compare for you I have to look them up just as you would.  The Classic and the PL041 are both single boiler machines.  Classic has a smaller boiler.  The Silvano has a boiler for brewing and a thermoblock for steam as well as a PID for temperature control.

friendlyfoe Said:

Near me gaggia classic and the lelit are around the same price so not sure why you're seeing such a big difference.

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There are a few miles and a bit of water between Toronto and Italy. ;-)
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jwoodyu
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 9:13am
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

Oscar and a used Super Jolly. There is used Oscar in BST though i know nothing about it or the seller.

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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consenso
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

In Italy Gaggia Classic costs around 230-250 € instead a Lelilt PL 41 Plus T costs around 500-600€.

Here I asked just about coffee machine but I know I have to buy also a very good coffee grinder.

Maybe I don't know about E61 group, but for example an Isomac Zaffiro costs around 845€, Bezzera Unica PID costs 900€ and both have E61 group.

Do you think they are not good machines?

I would like to show a video by youtube. This man edited his machine a cheap Ariete Caffè Roma Deluxe and you can look the results, do you think is it a good job and is it possible do the same modification in each machine?

here the coffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWuEBBlmFA

here the steam power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ6brkkjm8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qagu2xv20g
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jwoodyu
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 2:28pm
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

I did not realize you were still in Italy so that change a bunch of things and means I really cant speak to your situation much. If I were in Italy I think I would have to find and restore and Faema E-61 just for the "cool" factor.

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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consenso
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 2:46pm
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

I am Italian and I live here in Italy, if you are asking why I write in a not italian form the reason are 2, the first one is because in Italy (it's strange) but people think the best coffee machine is Mokona Bialett (my mother is one of them), the second one is because in Italy doesn't exists a forum for espresso lover.

To be honest I don't like the Faema E61 :) but I was considering also a Faema Carisma.

So what do you think about machines I wrote?
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jwoodyu
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Posted Mon Oct 14, 2013, 3:25pm
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

I don't really have any first or second information on either those but I am sure someone more familiar will answer. I do however have a mocha pot, somewhere ;)

If I can ever find a two group E-61 that needs a rebuild here in the states I would love to convert it to a double boiler setup. It defies all logic both practical and fiscal but it would be fun.

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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Burner0000
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Posted Tue Oct 15, 2013, 5:15am
Subject: Re: First espresso machine, just 1-3 coffees a day. Which one?
 

consenso Said:

In Italy Gaggia Classic costs around 230-250 € instead a Lelilt PL 41 Plus T costs around 500-600€.

Here I asked just about coffee machine but I know I have to buy also a very good coffee grinder.

Maybe I don't know about E61 group, but for example an Isomac Zaffiro costs around 845€, Bezzera Unica PID costs 900€ and both have E61 group.

Do you think they are not good machines?

I would like to show a video by youtube. This man edited his machine a cheap Ariete Caffè Roma Deluxe and you can look the results, do you think is it a good job and is it possible do the same modification in each machine?

here the coffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWuEBBlmFA

here the steam power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ6brkkjm8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qagu2xv20g

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Well if your willing to spend the money on one of these I would. :)
"Isomac Zaffiro & Bezzera Unica"
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