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SpaceTime
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:09am
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CarloM Said:

SpaceTime - don't stress too much about the machine. You know it's only a stopgap until you can save up to buy the new single group Kees Van Der Westen Speedster anyway!

Posted December 20, 2013 link

Yep, just gotta go sell the SO on that idea!  How did you know I was headed for that one?  LOL

And no stress, I am actually enjoying the heck out of this - I am learning so many new things! Anyway, I love the journey more than the destination in most anything I do... and the learning about all the cool gadgets, toys in the Espresso world is cool to me!!  Kinda twisted, eh?
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CarloM
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:15pm
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SpaceTime: having been where you are just a few months ago, let me list the reasons I went with the V2B over the MVII, some of which won't be relevant anymore (such as the discount), some of which is highly personal/subjective.

Personal/Subjective/Now Irrelevant Reasons I went with V2B
  • Pre-sale discount on the V2B. Now it's $2295 I believe, but for those of us who preordered it was $2150, hence only $150 more than the MVII
  • Aesthetics - highly personal preference. I like the stainless steel. Others like the more reserved look of the MVII.

Reasons why I went with the V2B
  • Option to plumb or tank - with the Vivaldi line you have to choose one or the other
  • E61 tried-and-true brew group with 58mm portafilter - I had already invested in a bottomless portafilter, a really nice tamper, and a VST 18g basket, all of which were 58mm, and the Vivaldis use a 53mm (also harder to find/less available accessories for 53mm)
  • Dual PID settings - Dave explains it better earlier in the thread, but QM's implementation of dual PID settings for both brew and steam boilers gives near pressurestat performance from the steamer. This makes the steam power of the V2B land between the Vivaldi and say the Alex Duetto III.
  • Vertically mounted motor - as Dave explains if there is a leak, the motor is safe from water damage
  • Rotary pump - while this may be the cause of the cavitation noise, at some point I plan to plumb it in and wanted to have this. With the Vivaldis you have a rotary for the plumbed version and a vibratory with the tank version
  • Easily adjustable brew pressure via side panel
  • Dave mentions the parts are easy to fix should anything go wrong, and are standard parts that aren't super-expensive, so if you're handy with tools, it's home-repairable, especially after warranty expires (not sure if this is true with the MVII). Since I plan to have this machine for ten years or more (knock on wood) and am comfortable working on machinery, this was important to me.

Reasons I was tempted to purchase the MVII
  • More powerful steam (though as I mentioned earlier once I settled on the 2-hole tip I have no problems getting good microfoam out of the V2B so this proved to be a non-issue for me)
  • Front facing water reservoir. I put sliders on my V2B feet because I have to rotate it to fill the tank due to kitchen cabinet height. This would be a non issue if I had higher cabinets or a dedicated espresso cart/table setup. As it is the tank is large enough that I only have to do this once a week, so it's not a big deal.

Known issues with V2B
  • The cavitation sound, for those who are using it in tank mode. Both CCS and Dave assure us it's not going to harm the machine, and it doesn't happen to everyone. It's level of annoyance will depend on you, should it happen.
  • The 2-hole tip that was shipped in error in the first batches, since replaced by the 4-hole CCS designed tip, is the superior steaming tip for a lot of us.

All in all, I think I made the right purchase for me. Within a month or so after I purchased the Silvia a few years ago, I knew that machine was decent for its price, but that I would be upgrading as soon as finances allowed. Now I know I have a machine that will keep me happy for many years (assuming it remains functioning). The only time I would even consider an upgrade is if I get a major change in financial status (double/triple my salary, win the lottery, etc.) and I'll get a Speedster or Slayer.
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DeanOK
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 2:13pm
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CarloM Said:

...All in all, I think I made the right purchase for me. Within a month or so after I purchased the Silvia a few years ago, I knew that machine was decent for its price, but that I would be upgrading as soon as finances allowed. Now I know I have a machine that will keep me happy for many years (assuming it remains functioning). The only time I would even consider an upgrade is if I get a major change in financial status (double/triple my salary, win the lottery, etc.) and I'll get a Speedster or Slayer.

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I agree with most everything you said except I do like the 2 hole tip best. If steam power is what a person wants, I can't imagine the V2B with the 4 hole tip not being enough for you. The 4 hole tip is so fast I barely have time to work on my technique before the milk is to 150F. I would probably be more eager to use the 4 hole tip if I was steaming a larger quantity of milk at one time. I usually steam about 5 oz so the two hole tip is great for me. I do believe the occasional noise from the pump is a solvable issue, but I haven't been worried enough about it to worry with it.

I do know that for the first time since I got back into making espresso at home 2.5 years ago, I really have no desire to upgrade. I would, of course, love to have a Speedster or Slayer, but I doubt I will ever have an income that would allow me to think it is ok to spend that much for a table top appliance for me to have coffee... but you never know... I might win the lottery some day!!!
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SpaceTime
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 3:36pm
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Carlo - Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your thought process - any data helps!  

I am going offline for a couple of days as I have family I town - it will be nice to not think about my machine choice for a while LOL - but when I get back I will tell you where my head is at and respond in detail.

Bottom line - if I ended up with a V2B or VII Mini  - I am confident I would end up with a quality machine that I would have for years to come.  So it comes down to the one I like to look at, work at, and enjoy using the most!. They are all quality machines.

Cheers Carlo - Happy Holidays to you and yours!!
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lowellw2
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 6:02pm
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For those that may find the standard plastic panels of the Vivaldi less than appealing you might check out the custom wood panels for the Vivaldi's at Clive Coffee.  They are on the other side of the continent but their machines come from CCS. The wood on a GS3 looks pretty good also.  Just a thought.
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cuznvin
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 6:32pm
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lowellw2 Said:

For those that may find the standard plastic panels of the Vivaldi less than appealing you might check out the custom wood panels for the Vivaldi's at Clive Coffee.  They are on the other side of the continent but their machines come from CCS. The wood on a GS3 looks pretty good also.  Just a thought.

Posted December 21, 2013 link

good point!!
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ECM
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Posted Sun Dec 29, 2013, 6:05am
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Hello and happy holidays everyone!

Just a quick question:

I received my Vetrano about three weeks ago.  I find that the stock steam tip is not suitable for steaming smaller quants of milk.  Iím told that this tip from CCS will work better:

https://www.chriscoffee.com/No-Burn-2-Hole-Steam-Tip-p/ot0980sv.htm

Iím assuming then that the current stock tip can be unscrewed from the wand?  I tried to do this using my fingers but it wouldnít budge.  Can someone suggest a way to loosen the tip without damaging it or the machine?  

The tip I selected; is this what most of you are currently using and if so, does it work well?  

Thank you,

Rob
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Zevi
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Posted Sun Dec 29, 2013, 7:49am
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ECM Said:

Hello and happy holidays everyone!

Just a quick question:

I received my Vetrano about three weeks ago.  I find that the stock steam tip is not suitable for steaming smaller quants of milk.  Iím told that this tip from CCS will work better:

https://www.chriscoffee.com/No-Burn-2-Hole-Steam-Tip-p/ot0980sv.htm

Iím assuming then that the current stock tip can be unscrewed from the wand?  I tried to do this using my fingers but it wouldnít budge.  Can someone suggest a way to loosen the tip without damaging it or the machine?  

The tip I selected; is this what most of you are currently using and if so, does it work well?  

Thank you,

Rob

Posted December 29, 2013 link

Rob -- first, congratulations on the new "tool"! (never refer to an espresso machine as a "toy"...)  You are now on track for a truly Happy New Year!

Second, the tip you show seems to be the same as the stock one. How is it different?

Frankly, I think it's a matter of practice. I use the original 2-hole tip to steam successfully even small amounts for Macchiato. It's the 4-hole tip that they sent which I find unusable. To replace the tip simply wrap it with a rag and use a pair of pliers and have a good grip. It's just the initial "sticking" you need to release. To put it back on use fingers only. Once I took it off first time, the pliers were not needed again.

Good luck and best wishes!
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sharky
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Posted Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:15pm
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Zevi Said:

Rob -- first, congratulations on the new "tool"! (never refer to an espresso machine as a "toy"...)  You are now on track for a truly Happy New Year!

Second, the tip you show seems to be the same as the stock one. How is it different?

Frankly, I think it's a matter of practice. I use the original 2-hole tip to steam successfully even small amounts for Macchiato. It's the 4-hole tip that they sent which I find unusable. To replace the tip simply wrap it with a rag and use a pair of pliers and have a good grip. It's just the initial "sticking" you need to release. To put it back on use fingers only. Once I took it off first time, the pliers were not needed again.

Good luck and best wishes!

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I agree with Zevi!  I found the 4 hole tip was crazy fast for steaming and I couldn't get good micro foam no matter what I tried!  So, I went back to the 2 hole tip and found I can make great micro foam, every time!  I am a happy espresso/latte drinker once again!  YRMV, but for me . . . it will be the 2 hole tip from now on!!  Enjoy!!
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ECM
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Posted Sun Dec 29, 2013, 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Thanks guys for your help.  

The tim I currently have is the 4 whole tip that ships with the Vetrano from CCS.  The one I ordered is the two whole tip I think you guys are referring to.  I actually managed to take off the tip today using my fingers and a damp cloth.  

I'm hoping the new 2 whole works better because the 4 whole is useless for the home environment.  

Thanks again,

Rob
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