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SofubiShogun
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Joined: 5 Oct 2013
Posts: 3
Location: The Banks
Expertise: Just starting

Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 6:06pm
Subject: Machine advice
 

1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
- Just a single drink each morning with an occasional one at night, non milk
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
- just one usually, perhaps two on occasion
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
- 7-10
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?
- For starting off, a reservoir would be preferable
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
- most likely just a 15
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?
- under a thousand (yes, yes I know) Likely getting a Baratza Vario or a Mini Mazzer
7)  Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment? Do you or family member have the skills to repair used equipment?
- Would prefer new, not many places to service machines here
8)  Do you have the essential accessories (decent tamper, knockbox, the works), otherwise budget about $100 for these.
- I can afford these above my listed budget

Hello one and all,
Hoping for advice on a new machine. I was thinking about using a twist but people have pointed out the reoccurring CO2 costs. I know a grinder is the top priority to start. I love coffee but only make pour over and press at my house. Hoping to start with home espresso so any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Burner0000
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Joined: 28 Jul 2011
Posts: 1,010
Location: Cambridge, Ontario Canada
Expertise: Professional

Espresso: Rancilio Silvia, VFA Expres...
Grinder: Macap MX/VFA N1464/Kyocera...
Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 6:24am
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

Welcome to CG!

Where exactly are you located?  
For a $1,000 you can get a respectable single boiler machine + grinder

Typical machines out there right now that I would consider at least are..

- Gaggia Classic
- LeLit  (PL041QE,PL041TQE)
- Crossland CC1
- Ranchillio Silvia
-

Grinders. If you think you are going to upgrade your espresso machine down the road I'd spend more now so you don't need to replace again.
- Lelit PL53 w/ LeLit  (PL041QE,PL041TQE)
- Baratza Vario
- Baratza Preciso
- Ascaso I mini
- Compak K-3 Touch
- Macap M2/M4
- Mazzer Mini


My recommendation.. Either.

  1. LeLit PL041QE + Lelit PL53 for $870
  2. Crossland CC1+ Baratza Preciso for $1000
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Burner0000
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Location: Cambridge, Ontario Canada
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia, VFA Expres...
Grinder: Macap MX/VFA N1464/Kyocera...
Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 6:28am
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

If you really wanna keep the cost down a hand grinder + something like a lightly modded Saeco Via Venesia will do well.  Looking at closer to $500.
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noremacc
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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

I'm pretty much looking for the same as the OP, except mostly milk based drinks (latte), and a slightly higher volume made per day.

I was leaning towards the Ranchillio Silvia but not confident about the ~15 min warmup times the reviews and video overviews seem to have.

Also the Crossland has the PID, which I had decided to forgo due to the higher cost of PID machines, so a bit wary of the pricepoint and having a PID (not sure what they cut out to get that in).

Any comments on those, particularly about the 4 you mentioned and the warmup time?
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Coffeenoobie
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Posts: 2,972
Location: PNW
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Espresso: N S Oscar
Grinder: K30 & Vario W
Posted Fri Oct 11, 2013, 9:44pm
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

CC1 is the only single boiler that I would consider.  But really I bought used so I could get an HX and I am not sorry.

 
Coffeenoobie

Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.

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boar_d_laze
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Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Posts: 726
Location: Monrovia, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: La Cimbali M21 DT/1 Junior...
Grinder: Ceado E92; "Bunnzilla"
Vac Pot: Royal Coffee Maker
Drip: Chemex + Kone; Espro Press
Roaster: USRC Sample Roaster
Posted Sat Oct 12, 2013, 8:35am
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

Avoid Silvia at all costs.  CC1 is a much better choice.  

In any case, 15 minutes is a very short warm up for any espresso machine.  There's more to it than boiling water.

Grinder, grinder, grinder.

BDL
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Fred1
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Joined: 3 Sep 2004
Posts: 560
Location: Seattle
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: LaSpaziale S1 Mini Vivaldi...
Grinder: Mazzer Mini/NS MCF
Vac Pot: None
Drip: Chemex
Roaster: Hottop, FR+8
Posted Sat Oct 12, 2013, 9:16am
Subject: Re: Machine advice
 

The CC1 is the class of the field.   Silvia is an old design that still sells for $639.00.  No longer worth the money.  If the price were reduced to say $399.00, it might merit some consideration.

The CC1 has a PID and programable pre infusion.

Contact Chris's Coffee or Seattle Coffee Gear to get a package price for CC1 and grinder.

Fred
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