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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 3:09pm
Subject: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

I generally leave for work at 5 am and would like to be able to make an americano before i leave in the morning. What is the shortest time frame i could possibly run a machine from turn on to shut off?
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 4:51pm
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Well, depending on the machine you need 20 minutes minimum to warm up but there is no time that it needs to stay on after that. If you turn it on then off in 1 second, you won't hurt anything. You won't get any coffee.... But nothing will be hurt.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 4:56pm
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

For me that would be about 15 minutes.
5 minutes to 'overheat' the machine to 250F steam temp.
5 minutes to heat soak.
5 minutes to make a drink and cleanup.
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 8:35pm
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

My Solis SL-70 is ready within about 15 minutes. I get up, turn it on, get in the shower and get out of the shower 15 minutes later to pull my first shot. It helps that the design has the boiler mounted directly above the group, so there is not any plumbing in between to be heated to brew temperature. I think the Le Lit has that design also. Pulling the shot is about a 3-4 minute process from pulling water into the cup to heat it, grinding beans, packing portafilter and pulling shot.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:45pm
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

Any machine with a boiler (SBDU, HX or DB) usually takes longer to heat up properly than a thermoblock machine. The easiest way to have your espresso machine ready to go in the morning is using a time switch. After pulling your shot you can turn it off immediately.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 2:07am
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

calblacksmith Said:

Well, depending on the machine you need 20 minutes minimum to warm up

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this is what i didn't want to hear

NobbyR Said:

Any machine with a boiler (SBDU, HX or DB) usually takes longer to heat up properly than a thermoblock machine. The easiest way to have your espresso machine ready to go in the morning is
using a time switch. After pulling your shot you can turn it off immediately.

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But everyone else seems to think i could do it on a shorter time frame. I thought i had read something in another thread where there were things you needed to do after pulling the shot as well, something about not destroying the boiler. A 10 minute warm up time would be fine, i can get up and turn on the machine first thing, and was already thinking about installing a time switch for turning the machine on.

So being that it looks like a proper boiler machine would be suitable (meaning that i'm not stuck with a thermoblock) lets talk single boiler machines! I rarely make frothed drinks, and never where time constraints are an issue. Cost is certainly a sticking point so if a single boiler will keep that down i'm happy to wait on the odd occasion for it to transition from brew to steam.

The place i bought my grinder was saying good things about the lelit machines, and they sell the models both with and without a pid. What other machines should i be considering in the 500-1000 dollar price range?

I was reading an article about how with a thermostat to get the best espresso you end up having to temp surf, so catching it while it in its heating up phase, how true is this? That review also talked about how with a pid there was a much more stable temperature range that always stayed within 1-2 degrees. Does that all sound about right? Are those the reasons why i absolutely should get a pid or am i way off the mark? Help a newb out!
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 3:48am
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

I think you are a little confused. The only thing you need to do when turning the machine off is to make sure the boiler has water in it.

Pulling a shot, it is full of water. Steaming milk will lower the water level and then you need to fill the boiler again, about 5 seconds.

It is not only the water that needs to warm up ( that happens quickly) the machine needs to warm up too and that takes time.

There are a lot of machines in that price range,  including the Oscar, which is in a whole different category. On SBDU and DB machines, a PID adds to the machine but it is of no value to the coffee in the cup on a HX due to internal construction. So  depending on the machine, a PID MAY be a good thing.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 3:49am
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

The (water inside the) boiler usually only takes about five minutes to heat up, but it takes up to 45 minutes for the brew group and portafilter to come up to brewing temperature. You can shorten that interval a little by flushing. This has nothing to do with a PID or steaming or temperature surfing.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 7:35am
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

It depends on the kind of espresso machine. However, if you are using super-auto machine, it will just take 10-15 minutes. It will also be on your choice if you are really in a hurry for some meeting or business appointments. Rushing is an exception here.

To have normal operation, 15-20 minutes including clean up. So once again, it depends on the kind of espresso machine you will use.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 8:26am
Subject: Re: minimum time for running single boiler espresso maker?
 

I'd look into a digital timer. (aquarium timer works)  Set it to kick on at 4:30 am and turn off at 5:15 am.  Before bed just make sure the reservoir and boiler are filled with water.  This way you won't need to do anything aggressive to rush the machine to temp in the morning nor rush you routine in making a shot.  The auto turn off on the timer will stop the machine from over heating if you accidentally leave it on.  I wake at 6 am and I've left mine on..

Something like This will do well. :)  You could even set it to start up for you when you get home.
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