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brettr
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 8:22am
Subject: Re: What after Rancillio Silvia for non pro?
 

Good points about consistency.  In that case, the extra $300 sound like it is worth it.  But, I'm surprised Burner0000 didn't mention this point.

What is "UH, plum"?

The BZ02 uses a reservoir and doesn't require a dedicated connection right?
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 8:33am
Subject: Re: What after Rancillio Silvia for non pro?
 

Plumb goes with the next word, in...... plumb in or connections to a water supply and a drain system VS an internal water tank and constant fiddling with cleaning the drip tray.

For ME, those are things I value, others may not have the ability to connect  or do not value the ability to connect to water/drain systems in the home/ shop

The same for volumetric dosing. Some see it as important (me) and others do not. A personal preference, nothing more. Outstanding shots can be had either way. Some members (and I honestly don't remember who) have gauges made for their cups out of wire to show proper levels for the shots, others use shot glasses for consistency. Me, I like the machine to measure and I don't need to worry about or even think about it.

Volumetric dosing, can be stopped any time so you loose nothing in the ability to be in full control of your shots. I find that for me, once the grinder is dialed in and with measured water through the puck, I have yet to stop the shot before the machine does. The only exception would be for poor prep in the puck and getting channeling or something like that and then you do what you need to do however, I don't remember the last time I had a sink shot by accident (adjusting the grinder for new coffee does not count)

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 8:39am
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Click Here (www.1st-line.com)
This shows THIS version to be a plumb in but it may come as a pour over IDK.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:11am
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Unfortunately the fully auto is direct plumbing only.  Not anything I want to get involved with.

Is there something comparable that is fully auto and doesn't require direction plumbing....sigh...

I like the consistency of fully auto.  Removes a lot of variables.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:21am
Subject: Re: What after Rancillio Silvia for non pro?
 

Looking at the Bezzera site the BZ02 is plumb in only if you buy from 1st line, Bezzera themselves have the option for either it looks like.  The BZ07 for $1,199 has the same specs as the BZ02 + 3 liter reservoir, All SS(Stainless Steel) body which is very pretty and pressure gauge.  Just throwin it out there.    

Good points about consistency.  In that case, the extra $300 sound like it is worth it.  But, I'm surprised Burner0000 didn't mention this point.

My bad.. Very busy at work I'm forgetful. Lol.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:30am
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If the mfg does have it both ways, it may be able to be purchased as a special order, just saying.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:34am
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I picked up a cuadra on super sale from 1st-line for $899.  Very pleased so far (3-4 months).
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:49am
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Actually, the BZ07 has two fully auto versions:

no PID: Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

PID: Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

The PID is just a temperature gauge for the boiler right?  If this is fully auto, doesn't the machine wait for the boiler to reach your target temp?  Why would you need a PID in that case?
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:47am
Subject: Re: What after Rancillio Silvia for non pro?
 

A PID on a HX machine does not add anything to the coffee in the cup. What it does is replaces the pressure stat with a different way to control temp in the boiler.

A pressure stat, measures the pressure inside the boiler. The higher the pressure, the hotter the water in the boiler. This is a mechanical device and as such is open to wearing of parts and on some designs wearing of contact points and some Pstats make a click when turning the heater on and off, some people object to the click. Over all though, they are a pretty darn solid device and most often they go years if not a decade before needing service.

A pid when used on a HX machine, replaces the mechanical temp regulation with electronics and a SSR (solid state relay) It is felt by some that this is a more durable way to regulate temp as there are no mechanical components to wear. There is also no click from a SSR so it is silent.

Due to the way a HX system works, tighter regulation of the steam boiler (which is what is regulated by either the Pstat or the PID) does not really have any affect on the brewing of coffee. A PID may regulate to w/in 1 deg f while a pstat is +- 2 or less deg f.

If a person feels that they are more comfortable one way or the other, that is what they should do, either way, the espresso is the same. My PERSONAL preference is whatever came on the machine and for every machine I have at the moment, that is a Pstat. I would not pay extra to get a PID on a HX machine but if it came with one, I would use it without issue.

 
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brettr
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:01am
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Thanks.  It's 200 extra bucks for the PID.  If there is no value to having it, and that sounds like what you are saying, I'll save the extra 200 and go with the BZ07 auto (no PID).
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