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brettr
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 9:16am
Subject: Re: What after Rancillio Silvia for non pro?
 

Maybe I got confused on the whole three hole wand thing, which came from an earlier quote, "...articulating v3 version...".

For those that have used them, does single vs three hole make any difference?  

It sounds like three hole is not an option for the Silvia.  But the BZ02 only has a single hole as well and I don't want to get involved with wrenching on it to upgrade to three hole...especially if there is not difference.

From what you guys are saying, the BZ02 will be a better overall machine compared to the Silvia.  It will provide benefits of the BDB without needing to send it off periodically.  

In the end, I'm interested in better shots.  All else equal (i.e., my skills), the BZ02 should deliver better shots compared to the Silvia right?
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 9:43am
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brettr Said:

I'm lost by what you mean about HX vs SBDU.

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heat exchange
single boiler dual use

you need to read the buying guide accessible through the guides & how tos link above (skinny dark green bar above)

brettr Said:

You said a SBDU Sylvia is better than any HX.  Is that a different machine from the Rancillio Silvia?

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nobody on his board (or possibly any other board) has ever said that.  SBDU is the class descriptor of the Silvia based on it's internal components/functionality.  One could also call it a semi-automatic.

brettr Said:

As for three whole wand, it was mentioned earlier on this thread as being better than single whole wands.  But I've heard this as well over the years.

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number of holes is user preference.  One can easily purchase one of several after-market wand tips for almost any machine, typically 1-4 holes are available (though some machines you can only find one or two variants).  Hole angles and sizes are important to some people as well.  My thought is, if you are willing to learn, you can probably make good microfoam with any tip on your wand (though I'd concede that some tips will make it much, much easier to make it than others).

brettr Said:

I don't need to pull shots and steam at the same time.  I steam after pulling a shot.  I only do lattes and not straight espresso too.  Although that might come into play if I ever find a machine that can produce good straight espresso.

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most of us who have machines that cansteam while pullling shots don't actually take advantage of that.  We tend to be very geeky about watching our extractions. However, if the machine is capable of doing both at the same time, that means it can froth milk anytime we're ready, which is usually immediately after we stop the shot.  With a SBDU machine (such as the Silvia), it is not ready to froth immediately after the shot (and if you steam first, it's not ready to pull a shot immediately after that).  There's a waiting period to get the boiler to the proper temperature for the second prt of the process(whether it's frothing or extracting).  That is a big difference, and why it is important (to some people) to have a machine that is capable of frothing and extracting simultaneously.

brettr Said:

The BZ02 can't use distilled water.  I have no idea about creating soft water, or reverse osmosis water with some mineral content.  I have a Zero water filter and use that with the Silvia.

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Machines with autofill boilers need a mineral gradient to trigger the pump to fill the boiler.  Since the Silvia doesn't autofill, one can get away with using mineral free water.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 9:49am
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to change a steam wand tip, it unscrews off the end of the wand, then you simply screw on the replacement.  It's about as easy as changing a lightbulb, unless you've got dried milk in the threads or cranked the old one on with a wrench (then you need a small wrench or pliers to get it started - but it's still super easy). New tips run around $10-20 or so (unless you're talking about the Sproline Foam Knife or Vortex, which are over $100 each).  Many of the brands will fit wands from different makes.  You just need to check/verify thread pitch, diameter and whether male or female (though there are adapters available too).

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 9:52am
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brettr Said:

In the end, I'm interested in better shots.  All else equal (i.e., my skills), the BZ02 should deliver better shots compared to the Silvia right?

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definitely!  The Bezzera will be more consistent and therefore your shot quality will have higher precision (assuming you have good prep technique).

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 9:58am
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Thank you Ron, I guess I was not as clear as I thought I was, oh well, it is Monday ;D

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:27pm
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Thanks everyone.

I'm still debating between the BZ02 and BDB, especially since seattlecoffeegear responded to some questions I had on maintenance of the BDB: Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)  They make it sound like no big deal.

The BDB seems like a better machine at the same price as the BZ02.  Unless I misunderstood, a double boiler is really only useful when pulling shots and foaming milk at the same time.

I've left out the grinder variable.  Maybe I will go with a new machine first then grinder.  But all around upgrade sounds like it is coming.
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 1:16pm
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Well there are more bells and whistles on the BDB but for build qulaity the BZ wins hands down.

Good luck whichever way you go and for sure, you will need a good grinder.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 1:32pm
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Why do you say the build quality is better on the BZ?
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 1:46pm
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BZis a semi commercial machine while the BDB is a home class machine. Commercial parts are used in the BZ while not so much in the BDB.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 2:13pm
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Ok, excellent.

In that case, I'm still looking at the BZ02 and something such as the Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)
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