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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 3:33pm
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The link isn't working for me right now but I saw it was going to rocket, they are nice gear, I did get hands on one, it is the little brother to my ECM and it felt solid and looked nice.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 3:40pm
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Yes - it's a Rocket Espresso Cellini Classic ($1500).
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:55am
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 1:34pm
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brettr Said:

Yes - it's a Rocket Espresso Cellini Classic ($1500).

Posted September 30, 2013 link

Your getting a bit more than the BZ02 (full metal body+ .3 larger boiler). Not worth the extra $500.  Personally as much as I like the Rocket's the BZ02 is the better deal.

  1. BZ02
  2. Rocket CC
  3. Silvia (Which I own)
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 1:52pm
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Thanks.  Let me see if I understand.

BZ02 and Rocket CC are both better than the Silvia, given the same skillset of the person.  And the BZ02 is better overall for the money.

But the BZ02 doesn't have any advantage over the Rocket CC?

If my skills remain the same, do you foresee my being able to pull a better shot (or latte in my case...to include frothing) with the BZ02 vs what I'm doing now with the Silvia?
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 6:32am
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Yes the BZ02 and rocket IMO will produce identical shots.  Boiler size and heater size is huge so you will have good temp stability with both machines.  For espresso if you have a good technique in place, brew temp is spot on (temp surf or PID) ang grind is good you will get a VERY good shot comparable to either larger machine.  As for frothing  I think the Silvia's steam is a bit wet.  You will get much dryer and more powerful steam with a larger machine like the BZ02 or Rocket.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 7:11am
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((Excellent.

Besides $300, do you know what the difference is in the

fully auto version (Click Here (www.1st-line.com))

and semi auto (Click Here (www.1st-line.com))

I sent an email to them and the reply came back, "The button and touchpad".  I don't even know what that means.  

Not an enthusiastic group over there.  I'll try to find another dealer to buy from.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 8:59am
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LOL!  I wouldn't take it personally.  They mean semi auto you have to turn the brew on with a switch and with the auto (volumetric) you can program each button to brew different amounts.  The extra $300 is the flow meters and electrical needed to make it auto. One replacement flow meter can cost up to $150 so it's cost well spent. Worth it if you really want that option.  Personally volumetric would make sense if I was pushing out a ton of espresso's and other drinks at a time.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:01am
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"Personally volumetric would make sense if I was pushing out a ton of espresso's and other drinks at a time."

Ah cool.  I'm not running a shop and don't think I need that.  Thanks.
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Posted Wed Oct 2, 2013, 9:17am
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Volumetric dosing is a personal decision, semi or auto, one is not better than the other.
That said, I will only go back to semi auto, kicking, screaming and fingernail marks in the concrete. I love the convience of VD. It makes you VERY consistent shot to shot as the water is measured for each shot, it makes dialing in the grinder sooooooo much easier and you have no issues with different shape cups or sizes of cups, your shots are always the same.  UH, plumb in is also on a must have list for me.......
YMMV!

 
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