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CarloM
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 6:46am
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Okay so my pouring skills still suck, but I took a picture anyway in hopes that you'll be able to see the size of the bubbles. The consistency was like that throughout the whole drink, which is what I'm after (rather than more airy at top, more hot-milkish at the bottom). Sorry with forum rules this was as big a picture as I could attach.

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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 7:33am
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going back to the pitcher photo...the one on the left looks remarkbly similar (ie, identical) to the Motta Europa.

For your artwork, it looks like you just need to pour a little slower.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 7:37am
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emradguy Said:

going back to the pitcher photo...the one on the left looks remarkbly similar (ie, identical) to the Motta Europa.

For your artwork, it looks like you just need to pour a little slower.

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Thanks for the advice. It's tough to get good practice when you only pour two a day. I feel like inviting as many friends as I can over and making a ton of drinks back-to-back :D

And yes I believe the Rocket pitcher is simply a rebranded Motta pitcher.
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 8:00am
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CarloM Said:

Thanks for the advice. It's tough to get good practice when you only pour two a day. I feel like inviting as many friends as I can over and making a ton of drinks back-to-back :D

And yes I believe the Rocket pitcher is simply a rebranded Motta pitcher.

Posted September 29, 2013 link

Yeah, the learning curve seems to drag on and on and on, when you only pour a couple of drinks a day.  You could do a soap bubble in water practice session...or as you said, have a little latte party with some friends. If you get yourself some decaf you can do a second session in the evening. I took a one day class at Klatch several years ago. I think Heather is doing milk only classes now (though the whole day class is excellent). We had 4 people go through 10 gallons of milk over about 2-3 hours.  It was a blast and my skills improved exponentially.  I ended up drinking waaaaay more spro than I should have that day (the morning was dedicated to the spro and the afternoon was dedicated to frothing).  About two years ago, I changed from a Silvia to a Duetto and had to relearn technique...ugh!  Fortunately, it didn't take nearly as long to get up the steepest part of the curve though.

Anyhow, you're lucky to be in LA, as you can get over to Klatch easier than I did (had to wait until I got lucky thery were offering a class when I happened to be flying out).  You can probably get a class from Handsome or one of the other biggies (as in high quality, not large chain) there too.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 8:14am
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emradguy Said:

Yeah, the learning curve seems to drag on and on and on, when you only pour a couple of drinks a day.  You could do a soap bubble in water practice session...or as you said, have a little latte party with some friends. If you get yourself some decaf you can do a second session in the evening. I took a one day class at Klatch several years ago. I think Heather is doing milk only classes now (though the whole day class is excellent). We had 4 people go through 10 gallons of milk over about 2-3 hours.  It was a blast and my skills improved exponentially.  I ended up drinking waaaaay more spro than I should have that day (the morning was dedicated to the spro and the afternoon was dedicated to frothing).  About two years ago, I changed from a Silvia to a Duetto and had to relearn technique...ugh!  Fortunately, it didn't take nearly as long to get up the steepest part of the curve though.

Anyhow, you're lucky to be in LA, as you can get over to Klatch easier than I did (had to wait until I got lucky thery were offering a class when I happened to be flying out).  You can probably get a class from Handsome or one of the other biggies (as in high quality, not large chain) there too.

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Klatch is a little far from me, about 50 miles to the closest one (I know, closer than you, but with LA traffic 50 miles can be 90-120 minutes). Handsome I've never been to but that is in downtown so traffic again can be a bear. I actually live fairly near the Venice Beach Intelly so I'll probably see what classes they offer there. One thing I have to think about is cost. If the classes are expensive, it may just be more cost effective for me to buy 2 gallons of milk and a pound of cheap beans and practice making drinks and just throwing the drinks away.
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 8:23am
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yeah, I know it's far.  I grew up in the SF Valley (left when I was 29).  The day I went I was out with my family visiting my parents (Tarzana) and attending my uncle's wedding (Chatsworth).  we drove up to Arrowhead for two days.  My wife and her mom and my son went to Riverside to visit friends and my father-inlaw and I went down to Upland for our class at Klatch, then had to drive back to Tarzana at 5pm on a Thursday.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:36am
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Small update - the new pitcher is definitely helping. Was making a smaller drink late last night and went back to my 12oz pitcher with the new QM 4-hole tipe. Was able to get the swirl/roll but overall the foam integration wasn't as good as with the Rocket/Motta pitcher. Same milk, same routine of putting pitcher in freezer for about 10 minutes before steaming.

Oh one thing: the Rocket/Motta pitcher is much, much thicker than my standard pitcher. I think that allows it to hold the cold from the freezer longer than the other pitcher. Not that I keep the milk out long. I basically leave the pitcher in the freezer for about 10 minutes, then pour the milk in as my grinder is going, then put it on the counter while I level, tamp, and brew. The pitcher is on the counter for maybe 60-90 seconds. I'm going to guess that, while holding the colder temp longer helps, it's the wider bottom part that allows for better swirling/integration of bubbles.

Now that I'm getting pretty consistent microfoam, I really have to work on my pouring skills.
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 9:03am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

This morning's failed attempt. Again, the foam was good, the technique bad. But at least I'm getting closer. Still need to pour faster. Actually the other thing I think I may be doing wrong is I'm pouring almost exactly as much milk as I need. I try not to waste anything at home (I also grind exactly as much as I need so I waste very little grind when I level off). At the coffee houses that make great art I note that after they tamp and swirl the pitcher, sometimes they'll pour off some of the very top milkfoam before pouring into the cup, and there's quite a bit of milk left in the pitcher after they've poured. I wonder if my art is suffering because I'm literally running out of milk as I'm trying to create the art. Thoughts?

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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 9:16am
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I still think you're pouring too fast, and should slow it down.  Let's assume for a second you're using the Motta.  Hold the handle with your long, ring and small fingers.  Open your thumb and index fingers out to the sides, making a "C".  As you pour, let the pitcher rock gently and wide (ie, no fast wiggling) from side to side (thumb to index finger) as you pour slowly.

Are you using Scott Rao's technique, with the cup sitting still on the table, or do you hold the cup in your opposite hand and tilt it?

btw, you're art looks good, otherwise.  you seem to have good microfoam, and you're getting a good contrast along the leaflets.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 9:54am
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Thanks! I just googled Scott Rao and found his 9 minute video. I'll watch and learn and practice some more. Like I said, it kind of sucks trying to learn making one drink every 12 hours. I really need to either organize a large getogether of my coffee drinking friends or just burn a pound of beans and two gallons of milk learning (just pains me to throw those drinks away, but it would kill me to drink it!) :D
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